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05-26-2018 at 02:19 PM
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Request to update all 2600 Space Invaders rule

@Dave Hawksett

Please update the rules on these tracks.
NTSC - Game 1, Difficulty B Double shots can be used
PAL - Game 1, Difficulty B Double shots can be used
NTSC - Game 1, Difficulty A Double shots can be used
NTSC - Game 1, Difficulty A - 15-Minute Limit Double shots can be used



EMU - Game 1, Difficulty B - No one has used the double shot yet so either add it or make it so that it can't be used.


There is currently 3 open disputes on the NTSC - Game 1, Difficulty A - 15-Minute Limit
Previous scores on these tracks have been done with both single and double shots. Most players prefer the double shot.
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  1. Snowflake's Avatar
    [MENTION=25498]Marcade[/MENTION] i believe you mentioned you had some data showing that double shot used to be allowed but you didnt want to publicly shame anyone. i could've sworn you said in the thread. perhaps you could dave that data in private so he knows it the right call?
  2. D.B. Cooper's Avatar
    Nope, can't agree with this. If you want to play using a cheat code, then add tracks that allow for it. I'm confident this would never have been allowed for any of the previous scores but if someone has some proof I'm wrong, I will consider changing my mind. It will probably take proof that the #1 scores used the code to change my mind though.
  3. Snowflake's Avatar
    [QUOTE=D.B. Cooper;bt23682]Nope, can't agree with this. If you want to play using a cheat code, then add tracks that allow for it. I'm confident this would never have been allowed for any of the previous scores but if someone has some proof I'm wrong, I will consider changing my mind. It will probably take proof that the #1 scores used the code to change my mind though.[/QUOTE]

    why only first place score? as long as we know the track merged both double shot and single shot, alloiwng both, then why does it matter what first place in particular used? if first placed used double shot, would you then demand everyone use double shot? does everyone have to use the same tactics first used? As long as we know historiclay it was a merged track allowing players choice, then why now invent the new rule of disallowing the previously allowed tactic?

    adding a rule to allow it isnt changing the rules. its clarifying the rule that always existed.
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  4. TB-303's Avatar
    2x shot :(
    makes the game too easy, comparable to Galaga vs Fast Fire Galaga.
    Updated 05-26-2018 at 09:31 PM by TB-303
  5. Marcade's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by TB-303
    2x shot :(
    makes the game too easy, comparable to Galaga vs Fast Fire Galaga.
    Even with a "fatter ship" to compensate?
    I hope to see you submit a score for it one day. :)
  6. TB-303's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Marcade
    Even with a "fatter ship" to compensate?
    I hope to see you submit a score for it one day. :)
    Me too. Not sure if I'll go for G1B or G1A first as I already have a G1B performance that was recorded when I didn't have my webcam: makes me want to record another G1B PB.
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    Updated 05-27-2018 at 01:42 PM by TB-303
  7. D.B. Cooper's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Snowflake
    why only first place score? as long as we know the track merged both double shot and single shot, alloiwng both, then why does it matter what first place in particular used? if first placed used double shot, would you then demand everyone use double shot? does everyone have to use the same tactics first used? As long as we know historiclay it was a merged track allowing players choice, then why now invent the new rule of disallowing the previously allowed tactic?

    adding a rule to allow it isnt changing the rules. its clarifying the rule that always existed.
    I'm still waiting for any kind of proof that there was even a single score accepted that used double shot. I have no idea where you're coming up with the idea scores were merged. The reason it matters what the first place score used is because using double shots makes the game easier. If there are some low scores on the scoreboard that slipped through that used the easier method then I don't really care. What matters is the top three scores on 1b didn't use double shot and it would be unfair to them to change the rules at a later date to allow a cheat to be used that makes the game easier. And the global rules on this are very clear. If you want to allow using a cheat code, the rules for the track must say it's ok. Like what you see for the game 1a track.

    Just to be clear, I'm cool with changing the rules on the 1a 15 minute track to allow for double shots and then remove the disputes. What I'm not cool with is changing the rules for tracks where there are already existing scores that didn't use double shots to allow it or to just say that it's ok to use the cheat code whenever you want regardless of the rules.
  8. D.B. Cooper's Avatar
    I better clarify that last comment. What I mean by the first sentence is scores accepted pre TGSAP. So far the only scores I can verify that use double shots are for the 1a tracks and the 1b Pal track.
  9. Snowflake's Avatar
    Now that it’s been proven rtm himself used to accept this score for other people on game 1b I would say that debunks his claim it wasn’t accepted. His back I. My day story contradicts the fact that he himself accepted the score from others. His attempt to make up false historical claims is just part of his vendetta against people like Marc and me
  10. Snowflake's Avatar
    i didnt see the 5:16pm comment before sorry. i think the 1b pal shouldnt be so quickly dismisse.d I mean, no matter what proof of scores being merged can be found you can always say "except for all the merged scores you've shown me i cant find any other merged scores". of course there's no proof of allowed double shoot, except for all the proof.

    also, pretgsap doesnt have saved videos, so naturally you cant expect us to find videos of things that by nature dont have video. thats an unwinnable position.

    we do know that from witnesses at the time scores were merged. we know the rules didnt disallow it, and only due to word of mouth do some people believe it was disallowed. for some reason the word of mouth saying it was disallowed supercedes the word of mouth saying it was accepted? we even know refs from that time whou would've known did allow it on tgasp 1b pal, why would 1b pal be any different than 1b ntsc?

    I'm all for more thoroughness and I agree with the desire to find more evidence. If anyone wants to, or can, find more evidence from the past i'd greatly welcome it. But with the evidence we have i'm not understanding any reason at all to disallowe double shot.

    Though there have only been a few pieces of evidence showing double shot was allowed, there is literally zero evidence showing it wasnt.
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