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09-03-2016 at 11:58 AM
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Atari 2600, Colecovison, and Intellivision most popular tracks

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B7...npwaW9wMVRPa0E

I didn't finish the Intellivision section. This was done over the last year or so, it's not up to the exact date but close enough.
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  1. spectre's Avatar
    That must've taken a lot of time? Did you go through the leaderboards and look at each track?

    Twin Galaxies should really implement a feature so you can sort the list of games depending on participants.
  2. stygian's Avatar
    Hi, Redelf.
    Thanks for doing this! Yah, I bet that took some time. A very interesting list - who knew Stampede had the most entrants? lol.
  3. redelf's Avatar
    Yeah I put in some time on sorting out the list. I also did up Arcade, Mame, and a bunch of PC. Was somewhat trying to figure out how to play the fewest games and get the most PSI for the time played. I did find out that I like the middle of the pack to the lower end of the list of games. The very top and the very bottom didn't really interest me much, but I will have to play them if I want to get max value out of PSI for them. I also see that usually the track with most submissions are the hardest to get a record at. So in some ways it's true, the more submissions on a track equate to more skill needed to be the best at that track. I find it much easier to get the number 1 spot on games under 10 submissions but not always. You will always get a few tracks where you just have the skill or desire to be the best and nothing will stand in your way to achieve it.
  4. Intellivision Master's Avatar
    I've been doing that with Intellivision. There are games that I have to play for one hour and get 11 skill points. Then others that I have to play 50 hours over an entire weekend to just get 2 skill points. I'm starting to economize my time to get the most points :)

    Plus show off my skill on games that interest me where I'm by far the best on earth.

    On a brand new topic: Since I've been playing Intellivision for 36 years, not many people know the console as well as I do. Some of the Skill level assessments make zero sense. I agree that a game with 40 participants should increase the skill level over a game with 5 participants. However, the skill required on the game should be a factor. To get 5 million in Tron should be worth 15 skill points regardless of number of participants.... vs a game like Tetris or Ladybug, which anyone can play. But it seems the staff at TG know very little about the skill requirements for Intellivision games. 90% of players cannot get to 500,000 in Tron; so a guy puts up 5 million, it shown extreme coordination and extreme skill on the system.

    Instead of arguing with the staff, I'll just play along with their point system and beat the leader-board with their assessments. But the "skill level point system" for intellivision is not accurate.
  5. Intellivision Master's Avatar
    I propose a skill index for each Intellivision game on a scale from 1 to 20.

    It's that simple.

    For example, the top player gets 14 points on Thunder castle regardless of participants.Then you add a factor multiple based on participants.

    For example, if there's 10 or more participants, we add 10% to the skill points. 20 or more, we add 20% to the skill points and so on. i.e. 1% for every participant. If there are 100 participants in Thunder Castle, the record holder gets 28 points.

    It's that easy.

    The problem here is that a game like Nova Blast has a skill level of 2.3 to the record holder. That game is like Defender. It should be rated at 13 points even if there's only 3 participants.

    The TG skill index for Intellivision makes no logical sense.

    I keep feeling that the games for the long time "friends" of TG have their games rated highest skill, and games that they don't play, the skill index is extremely low. I can't help but have this in my head.

    The skill index has to be re-vamped.
  6. Intellivision Master's Avatar
    I'm the world record holder in skiing, fastest slope, and I got 2 points. Even though there are 15 slopes, the fastest slope should give half the skill points; and the remaining slopes share the other half of skill points - for skiing.

    2 points? C'mon man.

    But what do I know?

    I've only been playing Intellivision for 36 years.
  7. GregDeg's Avatar
    As old as Intellivision is, you would think there should have been more competition. I like to see your Stampede skills... game is similar to the Atari version.
  8. Rogerpoco's Avatar
    I'm actually on the losing side of the new system, I play a few obscure titles, and Vectrex games without many scores posted on them.
    But track difficulty is such an arbitrary thing-I am honestly only a medium-level gamer, with determination, but a few real toughies came incredibly easy for me, not lucky, can repeat the runs(Night Driver, Pole Position/Vectrex), and there are people with INCREDIBLE runs on other games that I simply cannot play, Yars, Phoenix. that have complimented/would love to have the Night Driver 81.
    So (sorry, yur new-I go on at times, lol), really like I said, as much as it hurts me, the "popularity" of a track should be a factor, but it could could be labeled as such, as opposed to premium, mebbe?
    Difficulty could mebbe be determined by the track voting system-now you rank the track bad to good, how about easy to hard?
    Just a couple ideas, prolly in the wrong place to be noticed/implemented.
  9. Marco1019's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Intellivision Master
    I'm the world record holder in skiing, fastest slope, and I got 2 points. Even though there are 15 slopes, the fastest slope should give half the skill points; and the remaining slopes share the other half of skill points - for skiing.

    2 points? C'mon man.

    But what do I know?

    I've only been playing Intellivision for 36 years.
    My understanding of the ESI is that you are rewarded more for records that are achieved against other competitors for a particular track. So any inaugural records are not rewarded in ESI. It's a fair point of contention among some gamers, from what I've gathered.
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  10. Intellivision Master's Avatar
    Sure:

    I guess if you're the only one with a score, even if you're the best on earth (if a billion people tried, they wouldn't beat your score) .... I guess it's difficult to award 20 points if you're the only score.

    I remember in the day, I would have pamphlets with Intellivision high scores. I do remember when ..... when there was a TON of competition in Intellivision.

    Still, for those sitting at home who say "I can beat that score".... an Intellivision console is about $50 US and the games could be as low as $5. Post it and prove it if you can beat it :)

    My high scores are very tough to beat. On maybe 5 to 10 titles, I can re-beat anyone who beats my score.

    I can see over the next few years as TG gets more popular, many Intellivision players coming out of the wood-work.
  11. Intellivision Master's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by GregDeg
    As old as Intellivision is, you would think there should have been more competition. I like to see your Stampede skills... game is similar to the Atari version.

    I can compete competitively in 90% of Intellivision games. Given enough time, I would be top-3 in 90% of the games. Probably record-holder in 50% (given enough time to master the game).

    However, Stampede is one game that I'm no-where near Todd Rogers' million point score. He's in a class by himself on Stampede.His score is too deflating for me to even play it.

    If you like titles on both systems, I will, however, play
    Pitfall! in the near future, and I can match Todd's play on it. I'm probably the only player on earth who can say that.

    Follow my submissions; it will come in the next few weeks.
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  12. GregDeg's Avatar
    I'll be watching. I might be able to offer you some competition, well maybe. I've been playing Intellivision for 0 years 0 days, never even seen one up close. But I know someone who has one with a few games. I might throw some scores at you in the future. :)
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  13. Rogerpoco's Avatar
    I actually had you in mind when I was gonna say this Greg...

    I believe you, Master-We have a guy here who is literally two steps above anyone else on most Atari games, I think kinda came out of nowhere like you are planning to do, so I'm not doubting you.

    In fact...
    He's the one offering potential competition. ;P

    Can't wait to see your magic, I PROMISE I will enjoy all your subs, but...

    Man, don't discount what some of the guys can do around here. Some of them been doing it a pretty long time too, serious masters.
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  14. Rogerpoco's Avatar
    Uhhh, and I'm not following you around Greg, lol-just noticed both my post followed ya, I think the first was a same time thing, ha!
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  15. Intellivision Master's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by GregDeg
    I'll be watching. I might be able to offer you some competition, well maybe. I've been playing Intellivision for 0 years 0 days, never even seen one up close. But I know someone who has one with a few games. I might throw some scores at you in the future. :)

    I look forward!!
  16. redelf's Avatar
    The reason I created this thread was to share my effort in trying to become number 1 in the leader board on these 3 consoles. I'm close to 2/5 the way on Atari and haven't begun on the other 2 yet. I'll be giving you some competition on Intellivision in the near future so it should be fun. It will definitely be a challenge. Anyone else want to come along :)
  17. Snowflake's Avatar
    In line with the original message redelf, I recently borrowed an atari 800 from a friend, and i have second friend who also has a good collection for it. I plan on doing what atari800 what you're doing with the vcs/2600.

    To the skill index argument, intellivision master, there's been a lot of debate on this. Let me try to give a quick sum up of the history. At one point even last place got 1 point. I'm sure you realize everyone has their own opinion and how skill should be -- and as no suprise most people coincidentally value a formula that benefits them. One complaint was the people who submitted a lot could just submit a lot of terrible scores and all those 1 pt last places would add up. Because of that, it was decided to give last place zero points. Obviously plenty of issues with that. I think though the best thing i've seen in the evolution of ESI is console level specific ESI. Look, for MAME dozens of people submit and even a bad score will get you a high ESI for intellivision few submit and a great score gives you very little. On the bright side though, if you just look at the console level, most games on intellivision should get roughly equal participation, so at least in determining who the best intellivision player is it becomes a fair number. I agree overall ESI means nothing as its too much apples to orangles. Console level specific ESI though I do believe has some value. Its not perfect of course, and an estimate, but some value.
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  18. Intellivision Master's Avatar
    I agree firstly with "we want what benefits us the most" lol

    I also agree that overall on specific consoles, after playing 2000 tracks on Atari OR 150 tracks on Intellivision, the overall per-console point leaders definitely determines the best skill on that console - and that's most important to me.

    The Intellivision scores may or may not translate points vs Atari players or Arcade players ... but right now, I'm not competing for best gamer. I'm only competing for the Intellivision Title - So I'm ok with it.

    Against other gamers on other consoles and Mame and Arcade; I'm sure I would be middle-of-the-pack competing against the cream of the crop - against you incredible gamers out there. I would be intimidated even.

    There are exceptions of why the actual point total is skewed on Intellivision: i.e.) Space Spartans doesn't have a score (the founders of Intellivision tracks didn't play that game - so I'll get screwed out of 11 points) - Had a score of 800,000 been posted in 1989, we would have 5 great scores on the list by now and I would gobble up the world record and 11 points.

    Still, in order to get tops in Intellivision, one would need a good 20 records plus 20 to 30 top-4 scores (out of only 60 games and 125 tracks (ballpark)). So it's not an accurate number at all but OVERALL offering 125 tracks will give an accurate leader-board for the console.

    I calculated (as a gaming nerd like Greg on the Atari) ... how many points max out Intellivision: I spent most of my Saturday entering a database and calculating ESI points. I DID NOT include those games that give 1.1 points to the first place winner. Those are usually obscure titles for which the liquidation bins at Toy World only sold 25 copies for $1.99 US (or $18 Canadian back then) - so the following numbers do not include the tracks that offer under 2.3 points to the champ:

    This is ballpark:

    60 cartridges offering 2.3 or more points to the champ
    125 tracks within those 60 games

    There's an additional approximate 20 cartridges offering 1 point to 2.3 points to the champ; and approximately 150 total tracks offering points.

    There are approximately 20 cartridges listed that do not offer any points

    If one is the champion at every Intellivision game (80 Cartridges and 150 tracks), the maximum points for Intellivision is approximately 450. The current leader has 167 points (an incredible percentage of the maximum points).


    Lastly,

    I agree with your entire blog.
  19. Snowflake's Avatar
    By the way you described it, I believe your 450 max ESI for intellivision is only true if you tie every first place. If you beat the first places it can go a bit higher. Note that a game which currently has one score gives 0 esi, but if you beat that one person you'll earn a little more than 1 esi.
  20. Intellivision Master's Avatar
    Great point

    I guess it could max out at around 500 points in that case.

    Great point !

    I did all the calculations just to have an idea what I'm up against.
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