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02-26-2021 at 01:34 AM
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Never assume...

This is somewhat of a continuation of something I have been trying to put across to this community for a number of years now. See my old forum post regarding this: Old forum post about mod chips and timing issues.

Reason i bring this back up again is i was hit with a prime example of why my concerns are valid and wanted to share the experience with you all. I've been out of the loop from TG for about a year, i was done with my game of choice and sold my consoles. Then the covid-19 lockdown happened and i thought well, with this much time on my hands might as well see if i can improve.

I got my PAL PS1 which has all the seals intact so it's (hopefully) completely original and never been opened or modified.. This is how i like my hardware to be where possible when it comes to WR's.

But i still needed an NTSC PS1.. These appear to have gone up in price considerably in the UK and they are also far more rare now over here so i was left ordering one which has no seal intact so has been opened. Most of them have had lasers swapped out at this point so i just presumed it would be that and went ahead and made my purchase.

It arrived, i tried it, it worked, great.. but something in me was saying, open it, see why it was opened...

So i did...

Ok, everything normal here, no real way to tell if the laser has been replaced but the original laser cable sticker was still there which tells me it's likely the original so i dug deeper to see if a power socket had been repaired or anything else.

Ahhhh... Oh great... I'm sure most of you know what this is. For those who don't, it's a mod chip to enable play of any region game (PAL/NTSC) and also to play 'backups' ... yeah as if anyone did that but that's another story.

My point here is never assume... if you buy a second hand unit, never presume even if the labels are intact as these can be purchased online for purists from what i've been told. I was never expecting a mod chip to be in there as most people over here mod chip to play NTSC games, if you have an NTSC console and want PAL.. you buy a PAL console. They are extremely cheap over here so this really took me by surprise.

If i had used this for competition use do i know how this console would act running NTSC games with the mod chip installed? Chances are nothing... but I don't know? and that's a chance i personally don't take when it comes to WR's. Playing PAL games on this however is another story the timing would be way out as per my forum post years ago.

Point is, check and check again. You don't have to open the console either like this, just try playing a different region game.

Needless to say, this little chip was swiftly removed! I also checked the motherboard model number to ensure it was actually an NTSC-J board.. it is and it is also the last ever board revision made for PlayStation 1 and they are fairly rare to find which is pretty cool to know.

Again I'm not trying to lecture anyone in their quest for WR's but lets all do our part to ensure our hardware is legit and the database is kept clean and legit. It's easy done, I could have done it myself right here but luckily i checked.

I'd also love to see some more discussion on my original forum post as it's been untouched for ages and to me is still a serious outstanding issue. I know not everyone agrees, perhaps i take it too seriously but I'd rather be that way then to submit something which isn't legit even by mistake.




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  1. Barthax's Avatar

    Hang on, some Brit got hold of a Jap PS1 & modded it to play PAL?! Who is that screwy! :P I guess the mod was for a different feature. ;)

    Cool find, none-the-less. Not everyone has the skill to mod (or remove them) and the mod itself is not a reason to prevent submissions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barthax

    Hang on, some Brit got hold of a Jap PS1 & modded it to play PAL?! Who is that screwy! :P I guess the mod was for a different feature. ;)

    Cool find, none-the-less. Not everyone has the skill to mod (or remove them) and the mod itself is not a reason to prevent submissions.


    My thoughts exactly haha! Never once seen an NTSC mod chipped console. PAL on the other hand... i'd say 70% of the consoles I've purchased second hand especially the original larger PlayStation 1 had mod chips.

    I agree the mod itself isn't but I'm a purist in terms of when i submit NTSC i want it to be legit, untampered NTSC hardware that i use. The thing I'm getting at is this could easily be used intensioanlly to slow an NTSC game down (or speed up PAL although I'm not sure why one would do that) not by a lot which is what makes it hard to notice on screen capture alone but believe me it makes a hell of a difference in actual game play.

    Then there is the poor fella or lady who has no idea and just runs it thinking it's legit or not even know about NTSC/PAL issues on actual hardware and just submit it.

    I remember when i first came here I said, are mod chips allowed as im a PAL user, always played NTSC on my mod chipped console as it was general game play but when it comes to records... is it legit? I never really got an answer.. submitted some runs and ran my own tests and saw a massive flaw in timing using an in game timer. I then asked for the submissions to be rejected, got a proper NTSC console and had a huge shock at how much faster the game ran to the point where my timing for everything was completely off.

    But point being, its possible, its a ***** in the armor and i feel it should be addressed, have done for years. I'm not calling for existing records to be disputed or a witch hunt to happen but more lets address it now before we get deeper into this than we already are.

    Again, maybe i take it too seriously but i like to ensure my records are legit as possible. Not saying others don't but some may just not be aware.

    I'd like to commend you though @Barthax as the submission i voted on today with the console and direct capture shown through the whole session is a great improvement over what i was seeing from others about a year ago.

    It's all about progress. :)

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  3. Barthax's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by rotunda
    I'd like to commend you though @Barthax as the submission i voted on today with the console and direct capture shown through the whole session is a great improvement over what i was seeing from others about a year ago.

    It's all about progress. :)

    Yeah, the one you're referencing is https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/227659-PlayStation-2-Gran-Turismo-3-A-Spec-PAL?p=1112157&viewfull=1#post1112157 & it's something I started to do during late last year. By contrast, recorded back in 2018 but also something I submitted today, I was using direct capture only for an NTSC sub (NTSC-J console): https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/227683-PlayStation-2-Gran-Turismo-Concept-2001-Tokyo-NTSC-Single-Race-Ace-Level-Tahiti-Maze-Race-Time-08-17-695-Andrew-Mee . To me, the BIOS check is enough to confirm the difference & mods typical have some visual element in that area (but not all do). So I'm still comfortable with direct capture but I also recognise there's an increasing need to distinguish that something isn't an FPGA or emulator (items in addition to your OP point).

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    I like it and it gives me confidence as a voter.

    Totally agree that submission is fine, clearly an NTSC-J console... there still is room for emulation but PS2 emulation at least the last time i tried was awful and given it's you Pete i have all confidence in voting (which i did, it's a yes from me.)

    Like you say though, not all do so it's a case by case basis somewhat which is why we need discussion to be made and rules set in place. it will take some time but worth it in the end I think.

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  5. Desidious's Avatar

    I'm going to sit on my stack of ps1s like a dragon hoards it's treasure. Imagine finding one complete in box in a lot you only bought for $20. 'MERICA!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desidious

    I'm going to sit on my stack of ps1s like a dragon hoards it's treasure. Imagine finding one complete in box in a lot you only bought for $20. 'MERICA!


    Not sure if it's the same over there but here, PS1/PSone is definitely seeing a price increase. So yeah, sit on them till they peak for sure.

    Nice find on the CiB.. I had one but that was Christmas 1996 and i've never opened a box so fast haha! Best xmas ever!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desidious

    I'm going to sit on my stack of ps1s like a dragon hoards it's treasure. Imagine finding one complete in box in a lot you only bought for $20. 'MERICA!


    one might say PS1 games are princesses in a world of dragons

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