Dispute: Simon Leitch - Arcade - Pac-Man - Fastest Completion [Perfect Game] - Player: Billy Mitchell - Score: 05:30:00.0

Is this a valid dispute?

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  1. 02-16-2018, 06:09 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by TWIN GALAXIES View Post
    Tapes are now in hand.

    I trust that the videocassette, labelled "② 6 HR PERFECT GAME PAC MAN", is going to be studied assiduously, with a view toward removing the obviously bogus record being disputed, here.

    The videocassette labelled "① Perfect Pac Man Patterns" seems to be irrelevant, at this time, but may contain some useful information.
  2. 02-16-2018, 06:28 PM
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  3. 02-22-2018, 08:24 AM
    The end of the recording is missing and always has been... hence the 5:30:00.00 estimated time.

    The proof is in the photo!! You can't use a camcorder to record 6 hours of HQ video on a T-120 tape!!
  4. 02-22-2018, 09:31 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by ***PL*** View Post
    The proof is in the photo!! You can't use a camcorder to record 6 hours of HQ video on a T-120 tape!!
    Not necessarily true. You can have the VCR on a SLP setting (super long play), and get up to 6 hours of tape easily.

    Still, the speed run does remain suspicious being an exact "hours and a half" interval...
  5. 02-22-2018, 09:45 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Marcade View Post
    Not necessarily true. You can have the VCR on a SLP setting (super long play), and get up to 6 hours of tape easily.

    Still, the speed run does remain suspicious being an exact "hours and a half" interval...
    Yes, there are 3 recording modes, so a T-120 tape will record roughly (2 hrs in common SP mode, 4 hrs in LP mode, 6 hrs in rarer EP/SLP mode). However...

    It is well documented that the performance was recorded using a CAMCORDER, NOT A VCR, so chances are unless Funspot had a very expensive professional camcorder (and why would they?), EP/SLP was not available as a third and slowest record speed option.
  6. 02-23-2018, 10:07 AM
    Many camcorder of the earlier eras used pass-through so you would have the cables out from the camera live as it was shooting out to a car so it could record longer running items and/or get it to a more handy format quicker. I definitely used that technique for film projects back in the 90s. Not saying that's what was done here, just that it was common enough that you can't use that argument in this case.
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  7. 02-23-2018, 10:08 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by gavv View Post
    Many camcorder of the earlier eras used pass-through so you would have the cables out from the camera live as it was shooting out to a car so it could record longer running items and/or get it to a more handy format quicker. I definitely used that technique for film projects back in the 90s. Not saying that's what was done here, just that it was common enough that you can't use that argument in this case.
    Gah hate typing on the phone...'vcr' instead of 'car' above
  8. 02-23-2018, 10:17 AM
    Here Some VHS Tape Information


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VHS
    Common tape lengths
    Tape label(nominal length in minutes)

    Tape length
    Rec. time (NTSC)
    Rec. time (PAL)
    m
    ft
    SP
    LP
    EP/SLP
    SP
    LP
    NTSC market
    T-20
    44
    145
    22 min
    44 min
    66 min (1h 06)
    31.5 min
    63 min
    T-30 (typical VHS-C)
    63
    207
    31.5 min
    63 min (1h 03)
    95 min (1h 35)
    45 min
    90 min (1h 30)
    T-45
    94
    310
    47 min
    94 min (1h 34)
    142 min (2h 22)
    67 min (1h 07)
    135 min (2h 15)
    T-60
    126
    412
    63 min (1h 03)
    126 min (2h 06)
    188 min (3h 08)
    89 min (1h 29)
    179 min (2h 59)
    T-90
    186
    610
    93 min (1h 33)
    186 min (3h 06)
    279 min (4h 39)
    132 min (2h 12)
    265 min (4h 25)
    T-120 / DF240
    247
    811
    124 min (2h 04)
    247 min (4h 07)
    371 min (6h 11)
    176 min (2h 56)
    352 min (5h 52)
    T-140
    287.5
    943
    144 min (2h 24)
    287 min (4h 47)
    431 min (7h 11)
    204.5 min (3h 24.5)
    404.5 min (6h 49.5)
    T-150 / DF300
    316.5
    1040
    158 min (2h 38)
    316 min (5h 16)
    475 min (7h 55)
    226 min (3h 46)
    452 min (7h 32)
    T-160
    328
    1075
    164 min (2h 44)
    327 min (5h 27)
    491 min (8h 11)
    233 min (3h 53)
    467 min (7h 47)
    T-180 / DF-360
    369
    1210
    184 min (3h 04)
    369 min (6h 09)
    553 min (9h 13)
    263 min (4h 23)
    526 min (8h 46)
    T-200
    410
    1345
    205 min (3h 25)
    410 min (6h 50)
    615 min (10h 15)
    292 min (4h 52)
    584 min (9h 44)
    T-210 / DF420
    433
    1420
    216 min (3h 36)
    433 min (7h 13)
    649 min (10h 49)
    308 min (5h 08)
    617 min (10h 17)
    T-240 / DF480
    500
    1640
    250 min (4h 10)
    500 min (8h 20)
    749 min (12h 29)
    356 min (5h 56)
    712 min (11h 52)
    PAL market
    E-30 (typical VHS-C)
    45
    148
    22.5 min
    45 min
    68 min (1h 08)
    32 min
    64 min (1h 04)
    E-60
    88
    290
    44 min
    88 min (1h 28)
    133 min (2h 13)
    63 min (1h 03)
    126 min (2h 06)
    E-90
    131
    429
    65 min (1h 05)
    131 min (2h 11)
    196 min (3h 16)
    93 min (1h 33)
    186 min (3h 06)
    E-120
    174
    570
    87 min (1h 27)
    174 min (2h 54)
    260 min (4h 20)
    124 min (2h 04)
    248 min (4h 08)
    E-150
    216
    609
    108 min (1h 49)
    227 min (3h 37)
    324 min (5h 24)
    154 min (2h 34)
    308 min (5h 08)
    E-180
    259
    849
    129 min (2h 09)
    259 min (4h 18)
    388 min (6h 28)
    184 min (3h 04)
    369 min (6h 09)
    E-195
    279
    915
    139 min (2h 19)
    279 min (4h 39)
    418 min (6h 58)
    199 min (3h 19)
    397 min (6h 37)
    E-200
    289
    935
    144 min (2h 24)
    284 min (4h 44)
    428 min (7h 08)
    204 min (3h 24)
    405 min (6h 45)
    E-210
    304
    998
    152 min (2h 32)
    304 min (5h 04)
    456 min (7h 36)
    217 min (3h 37)
    433 min (7h 13)
    E-240
    348
    1142
    174 min (2h 54)
    348 min (5h 48)
    522 min (8h 42)
    248 min (4h 08)
    496 min (8h 16)
    E-270
    392
    1295
    196 min (3h 16)
    392 min (6h 32)
    589 min (9h 49)
    279 min (4h 39)
    559 min (9h 19)
    E-300
    435
    1427
    217 min (3h 37)
    435 min (7h 15)
    652 min (10h 52)
    310 min (5h 10)
    620 min (10h 20)

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  9. 02-23-2018, 10:33 AM
    But it begs a question I have been pondering:

    If (frankly when) he is found guilty on the DK score, things will move to punishment phase. Is it just assumed that we alsways give the same punishment, in which case this scores falls by default as well. or rather, does TG make the call on how strict to be. Or... we we get some say in punishment.

    From Todds dispute is is pretty clear we do not, but I wish we did.

    I am actually a little less interested in the whole banning forever and removal of all scores motif so many seem to like in Mitchells case. I say if a score was well proven, let that score stand. Do remove those that are not valid and strip him of the right to submit future scores, but keep those deemed still valid on here.

    that's just my position and we all might have different positions. But my larger position here is that I am not a fan of the fact that our "positions" on punishment are basically worthless.
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  10. 02-23-2018, 10:34 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by gavv View Post
    Many camcorder of the earlier eras used pass-through so you would have the cables out from the camera live as it was shooting out to a car so it could record longer running items and/or get it to a more handy format quicker. I definitely used that technique for film projects back in the 90s. Not saying that's what was done here, just that it was common enough that you can't use that argument in this case.
    Yup...This is what i did with my older submissions with my SONY Handicam. My Hi8 cassettes were normally up to 2 hours of footage, so if I went longer, I would pass through directly, and record to VCR directly.
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