NES / FAMICOM / DISK - California Games - NTSC - BMX [Points] - 621,270 - Chad Brevik

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  1. NES / FAMICOM / DISK - California Games - NTSC - BMX [Points] - 621,270 - Chad Brevik

    06-10-2019, 09:18 PM
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    NTSC - BMX [Points]
    Track
    https://www.twingalaxies.com/scores.php?scores=131776
    Rank
    2
    Rules
    Factory Default -- Special Rules: None
    Submission Message
    Only one run in video
    Save states and cheats shown off at 0:30
    I'm not sure this one should be tracked, but it is, so here it is...

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  2. 06-11-2019, 03:58 AM
    Can anyone out there convince me that this is not Leeching?
  3. 06-11-2019, 11:41 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Blair Weston View Post
    Can anyone out there convince me that this is not Leeching?
    It is permitted leeching.

    Unless otherwise specified in the track rules, games/levels with a timer have no restrictions on leeching, as the leeching is naturally limited by the timer. In this case there is a 10 minute timer on this event. This has been consistently applied to all NES games.
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  4. 06-11-2019, 07:49 PM
    This is taken from the TG Help page:

    at no point did you make an attempt to progress through the level, this is also not in the intended spirit of the game.
    WHAT IS "LEECHING?" - INFORMATION AND GUIDE


    Term - "Leeching" is also referred to as "hunting" and "point scrabbing" by both Twin Galaxies and members of the gaming Community


    "A means by which a player accumulates additional points in game while engaging in activities that do not contribute to progressing to the next stage, screen or level, and while such activities are engaged, a player is not inhibited to progressing to the next stage, screen or level during commission of said activities. In general, a player should always be making a meaningful or conservative attempt towards progression within the generally accepted intended spirit and direction of the game." The rules that follow governing leeching/hunting/point-scrabbing shall apply universally to all arcade, home console, emulation, hand-held, mobile and PC-based gameplay efforts.
  5. 06-11-2019, 09:30 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Blair Weston View Post
    This is taken from the TG Help page:

    at no point did you make an attempt to progress through the level, this is also not in the intended spirit of the game.
    WHAT IS "LEECHING?" - INFORMATION AND GUIDE


    Term - "Leeching" is also referred to as "hunting" and "point scrabbing" by both Twin Galaxies and members of the gaming Community


    "A means by which a player accumulates additional points in game while engaging in activities that do not contribute to progressing to the next stage, screen or level, and while such activities are engaged, a player is not inhibited to progressing to the next stage, screen or level during commission of said activities. In general, a player should always be making a meaningful or conservative attempt towards progression within the generally accepted intended spirit and direction of the game." The rules that follow governing leeching/hunting/point-scrabbing shall apply universally to all arcade, home console, emulation, hand-held, mobile and PC-based gameplay efforts.
    If you're going for a "No" vote on this submission, it would be better to go after having the track rules changed to have language added. Something to the effect of "braking and jumping in place at any time during the submission is strictly prohibited, and will result in immediate disqualification". I would be all for that kind of a sensible rule being added, and would then vote No myself. But as it stands now, there are no rules and it's anything goes.

    Regarding the tact you are taking, however, it has already been discussed repeatedly and long since decided and well established on TG that the above leeching rule does not apply when the game/level has a timer.
  6. 06-12-2019, 06:23 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Bogart View Post

    Regarding the tact you are taking, however, it has already been discussed repeatedly and long since decided and well established on TG that the above leeching rule does not apply when the game/level has a timer.
    I agree, leeching has nothing to do with this, as long as a timer is present. It might not be the prettiest way to get a score like this, nor to watch, but you ARE limited to two choices...either the 10 minutes, or to finish the race. If the rules stated "One must finish the race, (to the finish line) for your score to count", then its a reject. It does not state this. (although it should)

    Two other TGSAP submissions have also been accepted under this track using the same slow motion forward "hop" tactics. Also, the same "hop" trick within BMX has been accepted in the past under the Atari 2600 platform, as one slides down the mountain for a max score, in lieu of a given timer.

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/game/ca...sc-bmx-points/


    Accepted...
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