Dispute: Angela Stefanski - NES / FAMICOM / DISK - The Legend of Zelda - NTSC - Fastest Completion [1st Quest] - Player: Rodrigo Lopes - Score: 31:37.0

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  1. Dispute: Angela Stefanski - NES / FAMICOM / DISK - The Legend of Zelda - NTSC - Fastest Completion [1st Quest] - Player: Rodrigo Lopes - Score: 31:37.0

    07-16-2019, 12:24 PM
    NES / FAMICOM / DISK - The Legend of Zelda - NTSC - Fastest Completion [1st Quest]
    Score Track
    https://www.twingalaxies.com/scores.php?scores=9607
    Rules
    Factory Default [1 Life Only! No saves allowed!]
    Special Rules: The timer begins when you hit start on the title screen and ends when you touch Zelda. UP+A on Controller 2 IS Allowed, but you may only use the Continue option! Entering Level 1, exiting and re-entering in quick succession to get the door to automatically open is BANNED! You must complete the game or your record/attempt will be disqualified.
    Player Name
    Rodrigo Lopes
    Original Adjudication
    N/A
    Verification Method
    Video
    Verification Date
    2006-07-09
    Disputed Score
    31:37.0 (Rank 1)
    Disputed By
    GibGirl
    Dispute Evidence / Rationale
    I'm opening a dispute for this time, not because I have specific evidence that it's not valid, but because of a number of factors listed below. I believe these give sufficient reason to consider this time questionable. I understand this may technically constitute a violation of the dispute rules, but I feel this is important enough to do so regardless, no matter the outcome.


    I believe the following factors all justify a dispute on this time:


    1) The game this speedrun is on is undoubtedly one of the top-tier games, not just in the speedrunning community, but in gaming in general. This elevates any speedrun times claimed to higher importance.


    2) This time represents a significant jump in efficiency in runs for this game, and not only would it stand as the best time for a number of years, but it looks like it would still be a world record for this specific category (Glitchless with Up+A allowed), though this may be just due to this ruleset not being run anymore. But it would likely be viewed as an "extraordinary run". In fact, even with years of increased understanding of the workings of the game and better strategies, nobody was able to approach this time for quite a while.


    3) I believe these first two items result in this being potentially a historically important run in speedrunning. And this is reason to give it extra attention.


    4) This time has been disputed by the speedrun community for a long time. Most do not consider it a valid run, as can be found in discussions about it elsewhere.


    5) Unfortunately, this record dates from a time where Twin Galaxies had questionable integrity. There is a reason that modern day Twin Galaxies requires a video submission that is archived for future reference.


    6) Rodrigo has repeatedly found reasons not to share a video of the full run. This is his imperative, given that at the time of his TG submission, it was not necessary. However, claiming a large accomplishment while not showing proof does not support his claim, especially for one that would make him noteworthy in speedrun history were he to provide the evidence.


    7) Finally, this reflects on how people view the integrity of Twin Galaxies at this time. Having score that the speedrun community does not find trustworthy listed as the top run for such a noteworthy game, without any corroborating evidence available to the public, harms the reputation of this site.
  2. 07-16-2019, 03:18 PM
    Since the picture upload isn't working on the site Im going to refer to a post @starcrytas made here in this dispute.

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthr...8=#post1044218

    If you read the comment Matthew posted of Rodrigo's statement on Zelda 1 he claims he can get a sub 30 in the game by using a better route and "getting luck bombs from monster drops". This means he has no idea about forced item drops and is still using antiquated strategies. There is no way that a person is gonna get a sub 30 in this game without complex knowledge of the game which Rodrigo clearly presented that he doesn't have with that post. Forced item drops are important because it makes it so you don't have to farm enemies for bombs and other items. Also, since this was submitted to Twin Galaxies that means there was no screenwraps used. I would challenge anybody to find a run under 30 minutes where the person is blindly relying on luck without using screenwraps.

    When it comes to video games one of the easiest ways to tell if someone is being full of bologna is when they show a lack of knowledge on the game.
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  3. 07-16-2019, 08:02 PM
    I agree, this is very questionable and you bring up a lot of good points.
    Lauren Tyler
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  4. 07-17-2019, 11:39 AM
    Timing ends when you touch Zelda. So according to the final moments, Rodrigo touched Zelda at 5:09, which means he had to enter Level 9 at 26:28.



    I once tried a savestated playthrough to get 26:28 or faster entering Level 9 without screenwarping, but I ended up with a mid 27 minute Level 9 start. However, my route and strategies most likely weren't the best.


    For those who are new to this discussion, the forum link below is the first mention of a 31:36 time. Must have been off on the timing since it's now a 31:37. Robert Mruczek @RTM verified this speedrun according to this forum thread here where Rodrigo states that Robert is his go to referee for all of his scores.
    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthr...his-OWN!/page2
  5. 07-20-2019, 11:08 AM
    As there is no evidence available to view here - Lopes has refused to share any of his videos, and given the current TG dispute rules, he has no incentive to - and the time is theoretically possible, I feel that the best option here is to continue to show further circumstantial evidence of the questionable nature of this time.

    In this case, I'd like to compare other runs of his here on Twin Galaxies.

    His Zelda 2: The Adventures of Link time was over a minute and a half faster than the world record time of 59:43 on SDA up until it was beaten on 1/11/11.

    His Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past time was 3 minutes faster than the SDA world record as of 2005, unbeaten until 2009.

    His Super Mario Bros. time was 5 seconds off the SDA world record at the time of submission.

    His Super Mario World time 1 second behind the SDA world record at the time of submission.

    A speedrunner capable of competing at the highest levels in some of the most well-known, most-played, and most run games is *extraordinary*. Again, if these claims are true, it would make him stand out as one of the top speedrunners ever.

    Except... None of these have video available, and none have been recognized anywhere besides Twin Galaxies.
  6. 07-20-2019, 02:23 PM
    Anyone who refuses to show their accomplishments are frauds. You won't change my mind.




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    Cheers.
  7. 11-20-2019, 10:54 PM
    I am putting it all on the line for this dispute. I want it publicly known but I do not hate Rodrigo I am not a hater I do not wish anything bad for him. however I do believe but he cheated on the submission and I believe that it has been proven beyond all shadow of a doubt. by holding on to the video that could potentially exonerate him he's only making himself look even more guilty. by doubling down his wasting everyone's time. I believe that when he is found guilty by the judge that's it all his scores should be removed from Twin Galaxies and he should receive a lifetime ban. If he provides a tape as Jace suggests that proves his innocence then I am willing to accept the consequences of a lifetime ban for myself.


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  8. 11-21-2019, 01:16 AM
    Hello all, thank you for the warm welcome. Before i say my thoughts on the dispute in progress, i would like to say a few things that was mentioned above. The submission is popping up when i click on it and it does show the link. So thank you for the help. Now i shall weigh in on this dispute. I am an admin for the Zelda Speedrunning community. There was a post in our discord asking for input. Lots were hesitant to come over here and post for various reasons that do not apply to this dispute. One i will state, making a profile with personal information was a little daunting at first. Wasn't sure for the reason the site needed to know my address. Fred Coughlin a fellow admin, and creator of the Zelda Randomizer program that is used daily for racing commented on his thoughts of this dispute. I support his findings as i have found them as well. My credentials with The Legend of Zelda include well over 1,000 completed attempts that were live streamed on my twitch page over the last 5 years. As well as being a top runner of this game for most the 5 years. Fred, like myself know this game inside and out. Fred's knowledge is probably the best in the community for understanding what happens and why it happens. Fiskbit is another who knows the game very well. Yesterday i took on this challenge to route and play it using the rules as stated as above. When comparing the only video that was posted in this dispute, the level 9 that took 5:09 from entry of 9 He would of had to do the rest of the game way faster than i did. Which based on his combat in level 9 comparing to mine in the most difficult part of the run, i do not see happening. His spawns, that have been covered by others are not consistent with the spawns that every other runner of this game gets. The fastest way to get those spawns, as stated above, is to bomb the entrance to level 9, go right one screen, then return to enter 9. That is very slow in a speedrun situation. The only good strat that is in the video is the 2nd Patra fight. Based on findings just from running the route, if this time did happen, it does need proof of it. We don't even know the route he took. If this submitted on our leaderboards, it wouldn't be accepted just based on the fact of no video. I am aware that has a complete different meaning over here on this site. I just wanted to give a point of view from the Zelda community. I am an admin, but i am speaking on my own accord, cause i don't speak for others. Everyone has a voice. If this run is legit, please just show the video and put this to rest. If not, just say so everyone can move on.

    This process has been fascinating. I do not know or understand the way things are done here, i am a complete new person to TG. My opinions before coming over here were pretty low to be honest. Speedrunning and TG are two different entities. There has been bad understandings from both groups. Someone above asked for us to come over and give our thoughts. An "olive branch" if you will. I accept that and would like to work together instead of against each other. I hear things are getting better over here. I will educate on what we do alot more in depth if needed at another point. Its alot more than just glitches and tricks that we are known for. Speedrunning is more about beating the game faster as possible. Records are nice, but thats not why we do what we do. The friendships ive made on this journey is worth more than any record. Lets add to that.

    Thank you for reading this dispute and final thoughts from me on this. I will answer what i can.

    Cantaloupeme (Harold)
  9. 11-21-2019, 01:18 AM
    Hello all, thank you for the warm welcome. Before i say my thoughts on the dispute in progress, i would like to say a few things that was mentioned above. The submission is popping up when i click on it and it does show the link. So thank you for the help. Now i shall weigh in on this dispute. I am an admin for the Zelda Speedrunning community. There was a post in our discord asking for input. Lots were hesitant to come over here and post for various reasons that do not apply to this dispute. One i will state, making a profile with personal information was a little daunting at first. Wasn't sure for the reason the site needed to know my address. Fred Coughlin a fellow admin, and creator of the Zelda Randomizer program that is used daily for racing commented on his thoughts of this dispute. I support his findings as i have found them as well. My credentials with The Legend of Zelda include well over 1,000 completed attempts that were live streamed on my twitch page over the last 5 years. As well as being a top runner of this game for most the 5 years. Fred, like myself know this game inside and out. Fred's knowledge is probably the best in the community for understanding what happens and why it happens. Fiskbit is another who knows the game very well. Yesterday i took on this challenge to route and play it using the rules as stated as above. When comparing the only video that was posted in this dispute, the level 9 that took 5:09 from entry of 9 He would of had to do the rest of the game way faster than i did. Which based on his combat in level 9 comparing to mine in the most difficult part of the run, i do not see happening. His spawns, that have been covered by others are not consistent with the spawns that every other runner of this game gets. The fastest way to get those spawns, as stated above, is to bomb the entrance to level 9, go right one screen, then return to enter 9. That is very slow in a speedrun situation. The only good strat that is in the video is the 2nd Patra fight. Based on findings just from running the route, if this time did happen, it does need proof of it. We don't even know the route he took. If this submitted on our leaderboards, it wouldn't be accepted just based on the fact of no video. I am aware that has a complete different meaning over here on this site. I just wanted to give a point of view from the Zelda community. I am an admin, but i am speaking on my own accord, cause i don't speak for others. Everyone has a voice. If this run is legit, please just show the video and put this to rest. If not, just say so everyone can move on.

    This process has been fascinating. I do not know or understand the way things are done here, i am a complete new person to TG. My opinions before coming over here were pretty low to be honest. Speedrunning and TG are two different entities. There has been bad understandings from both groups. Someone above asked for us to come over and give our thoughts. An "olive branch" if you will. I accept that and would like to work together instead of against each other. I hear things are getting better over here. I will educate on what we do alot more in depth if needed at another point. Its alot more than just glitches and tricks that we are known for. Speedrunning is more about beating the game faster as possible. Records are nice, but thats not why we do what we do. The friendships ive made on this journey is worth more than any record. Lets add to that.

    Thank you for reading this dispute and final thoughts from me on this. I will answer what i can.

    Cantaloupeme (Harold Rhea)
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  10. 12-02-2019, 03:15 PM
    Remove all scores. Full ban.


    no compromise. He has given zero evidence in self defence despite claiming it exists. this was a huge abuse of trust.
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