Dispute: John McAllister - Xbox 360 Live Arcade - Contra - Points - Player: Jacob Spring - Score: 10,141,300

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  1. Dispute: John McAllister - Xbox 360 Live Arcade - Contra - Points - Player: Jacob Spring - Score: 10,141,300

    09-07-2019, 11:59 AM
    Xbox 360 Live Arcade - Contra - Points
    Score Track
    https://www.twingalaxies.com/scores.php?scores=127543
    Rules
    • Must show options before submission attempt(s)
    • Lives to Start : 3
    • Difficulty: 1
    • Graphics, sound, and volume are the player's choice.
    • No continues allowed.

    Player Name
    Jacob Spring
    Original Adjudication
    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php?t=154428
    Verification Method
    TGSAP
    Verification Date
    2016-05-06
    Disputed Score
    10,141,300 (Rank 1)
    Disputed By
    redelf
    Dispute Evidence / Rationale
    leeching
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  2. 09-08-2019, 06:59 AM
    There was a bit of debating over the issue of leeching in the original post, but given that it did get enough votes to pass, I'm guessing the majority believed it was acceptable. For now I'm voting no.
    Lauren Tyler
    Eternal Champion of Ragol
  3. 09-08-2019, 09:12 AM
    That's strange, they thought it was leeching in another submission that was exactly like this one, I'm wondering if it was just that time of month or something like that.
  4. 09-08-2019, 10:36 AM
    In that case, I'm abstaining until I hear more discussion.
    Lauren Tyler
    Eternal Champion of Ragol
  5. 09-10-2019, 02:15 PM
    This is clear leeching - enough points can be gained (with little/no risk) to earn multiple extra lives before the timer runs out, and the tactic can be repeated indefinitely.

    The score should be removed - voting yes.
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  6. 09-19-2019, 07:29 PM
    seems to be leeching, we've seem to all since agreed if you gain lives quicker than you lose them, then timer or not its leeching.

    the only counterpoint i see is, people were aware of that at the time and consciously accepted. Also their accept had some logic. as the leeching rules are worded this is currently allowed. I tend to allow alot of point pressing the leeching rules technically allow despite being a "snooze fest" but even I accept this is the sort of thing the rules meant to cover and just didnt consider. even still, i cant fault earlier adjudicators for going by the letter of the law.
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  7. 11-06-2019, 10:56 PM
    VOTING YES.
  8. 11-08-2019, 12:59 AM
    I was against this track, at the time, and did this attempt to show everyone how stupid the rules were. I did the attempt because, days/weeks prior to the attempt I asked the question on State of the Galaxies if this kind of play was permitted because the MAME track that was previously "grandfathered" had now been re-opened.

    To paraphrase Jace, He said something along the lines of, "if you want to sit in the corner and score points for days, do that. If you don't like the rules make a new track. In time the better track will come out on top."

    This was back when it was possible to rate tracks.

    I will see if I can find the State of the Galaxies video and provide a timestamp. Sure it goes against the general rules, which are ancient and needs to be rewritten, but the grandfathered track was reopened for bussiness and Jace explained that it was ok.

    I'll be back
    [Twitch: spectredk],[Youtube: spring79],[Twitter: @Sp3c7r3DK]
    aka Jacob Spring and Twin Galaxies Arcade World Record holder on Metal Slug Supervehicle-001
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  9. 11-08-2019, 04:28 AM
    If TG is willing to add "leeching allowed" to the rule set, I would be willing to change my vote.
  10. 11-08-2019, 09:26 AM
    Ok, I found the video where Jace talks about re-opening the grandfathered tracks. I know there's another where he says something about sitting in the corner to score points but I will have to find it. It took me a couple of hours trawling through these to find this one so it might take some time to find the other one too.

    [Twitch: spectredk],[Youtube: spring79],[Twitter: @Sp3c7r3DK]
    aka Jacob Spring and Twin Galaxies Arcade World Record holder on Metal Slug Supervehicle-001
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