i was gonna keep myself out of this argument since its so off topic, and just argue it elsewhere. but as you're talking about involving TG with the team and "several people took it up themsleves to essentialy obliterate the wikipedia page" i feel you should know the page got in trouble because of patrick pattesron himself threatening to sue people who didnt fall in line and agree with his edits and version of history -- the same accusation hurled at billy is documented on wikipedia being done by patrick. after threatening to sue others, using wikipedia for self promotion and repeatedly contententiously insulting and arguing with wikipedia admins as opposed to trying to the follow rules they really had no choice but to lock and gut the page. His vandalism of wikipedia is his own doing and he has only himself to blame for the reprecussions. This is all in the permanent transparent history of wikipedia edits, so before patrick thinks about suing me for defamantion, he'll do well to remember this is all documented.