GUINNESS GAMERS EDITION SNUBS TWIN GALAXIES AGAIN

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  1. GUINNESS GAMERS EDITION SNUBS TWIN GALAXIES AGAIN

    09-26-2019, 04:44 AM
    I picked up a copy of the Guinness Gamer's Edition 2020. For many years and not too long ago, Guinness published extensive world records provided by Twin Galaxies in various console games, MAME and arcade. Recently Guinness dumped publishing TG World Records and the 2020 edition is no exception.

    In the 2020 edition, Twin Galaxies is not in the index, yet it is mentioned on page 17 with the Golden Oldies.

    1. Perhaps people don't care anymore about TG, the gamers who play games, and their high scores? What say you? The forum at TG is open again and this thread is for all matters regarding TG World Records published (or no more) at Guinness. Please have your say.

    2. How much did Guinness pay Twin Galaxies each year for the world records that used to be published in their book? Was it for free?

    3. If I was the Project Manager of the new annual Twin Galaxies Gamer's Edition, with full management control including marketing, content, time, sales, cost, quality, scope, risks and benefits, what would you like to see in the publication? Do you have any other feedback? The idea would be to create a team of contributors including writers, artists, programmers, gamers etc. to publish the latest news on gamers and gaming culture, tournaments and hype.
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  2. 09-26-2019, 05:47 AM
    Yeah, it's sad I guess, but I think the relationship has ran its course.
    Both sides should consider just dropping the association altogether, as Guinness has no interest in utilizing it, and it just brings false hopes to new members here at TG.
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  3. 09-26-2019, 06:01 AM
    If this thread conclusively establishes that TG records are no longer recognised by Guinness, I will abandon ship
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  4. 09-26-2019, 06:53 AM
    GWR should have a few summary pages like they have done in GWR Gamers Edition 2016.
    Note that quite a few gaming records are still beaten and chased. So TG records are
    still relevant.
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  5. 09-26-2019, 10:18 AM
    Not even the scores on the Guinness World Records tracks, the tracks that Guinness themselves created, made the book?
  6. 09-26-2019, 04:43 PM
    It has been this way for the past few years, and each entity distance themselves.

    The answer every year is always the same...

    Guinness does THEIR own thing.
    Twin Galaxies does THEIR own thing.
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  7. 09-27-2019, 01:37 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Marcade View Post
    It has been this way for the past few years, and each entity distance themselves.

    The answer every year is always the same...

    Guinness does THEIR own thing.
    Twin Galaxies does THEIR own thing.
    Interesting, an opportunity may exist here for Twin Galaxies (to do their own thing) and have their own "Gamer's Edition" book. An annual, at a lower price, with video gaming stories, records and a great look for the gaming enthusiast. It would cover upcoming, current and past video games. Note that TG was present before Guinness on the video gaming scene. It would be a TG book with the TG scoreboard, and it could be very popular for everyone into fun and gaming on the planet. It would be a world wide release in all countries, and if very profitable, provided in other major languages.
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  8. 10-03-2019, 02:18 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by OOO View Post
    In the 2020 edition, Twin Galaxies is not in the index, yet it is mentioned on page 17 with the Golden Oldies.

    1. Perhaps people don't care anymore about TG, the gamers who play games, and their high scores? What say you?


    RTM REPLY - Jace is correct that Guinness is free to make its own business decisions. Consider the following points...

    Point (1) - that there is no longer money in including video game and pinball scores, in their opinion.

    Since the early 1980's nearly 40 years have passed...that's two (2) generations using the old formulae of one generation equals 18 years. Times change.

    Even networks and syndicated stations on television have stopped routinely showing the former tried-and-true classic series "The Honeymooners" and "I Love Lucy" at odd hours of the day or night. What was once a guaranteed viewership (thus great for commercial income) quite simply is no longer viable in that respect. Maybe on "oldies" stations, sure, but nowhere else.

    The same could be said of classic arcade video game scores, the majority of which are on titles from approx 1987 and prior, nearly two generations ago right there.

    Point 2 - fallout from the "Billy Dispute"

    It is possible that as a business they no longer want to deal with video game scores, equating what happened with Billy's scores with potentially all the rest. A decision could have been made where they discussed no longer touching video game scores with a proverbial 10-foot pole.

    You can't blame them for making such a decision. They could very well regard the whole video game industry now as potentially radioactive in terms of integrity, and that decision could very well affect the entire speed run and PvP industries as well. Time will tell whether their decision is strictly limited to Twin Galaxies or not. And on that note...

    Point 3 - the "Trust" factor

    Guinness could have taken a second "look" at Twin Galaxies the organization and came to the conclusion that they could no longer place implicit trust in its recommendations or findings. Whatever relationship that was repaired when Jace took hold of the reigns may have been fractured beyond repair if Guinness took this extreme stance on the "Billy dispute" matter.

    Or...this first year post-dispute is too volatile for Guinness to include gaming scores again. The wounds are still fresh and public opinion is still running on the hot-side. So maybe this first edition after the dispute conclusion is just a temporary "Time Out" on their part, one taken without announcement or fanfare, just a simple decision that was enacted for the time being and which will be re-evaluated in time for the next edition's preparation.

    ***********************

    As for abandoning Twin Galaxies because of a lack of Guinness association, that is a gamer's prerogative of course, but Guinness is not why we strive for records at the core, we do it for ourselves first and foremost.

    If the "Billy dispute" includes as part of its Fallout the obliteration of the Guinness relationship, that is a sad outcome indeed, effectively all due to one (1) gamer's ego-driven pursuit for so-called "Redemption" in full light of a proven cheating scandal.
  9. 10-03-2019, 07:34 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by RTM View Post
    RTM REPLY - Jace is correct that Guinness is free to make its own business decisions. Consider the following points...

    Point (1) - that there is no longer money in including video game and pinball scores, in their opinion.

    Since the early 1980's nearly 40 years have passed...that's two (2) generations using the old formulae of one generation equals 18 years. Times change.

    Even networks and syndicated stations on television have stopped routinely showing the former tried-and-true classic series "The Honeymooners" and "I Love Lucy" at odd hours of the day or night. What was once a guaranteed viewership (thus great for commercial income) quite simply is no longer viable in that respect. Maybe on "oldies" stations, sure, but nowhere else.

    The same could be said of classic arcade video game scores, the majority of which are on titles from approx 1987 and prior, nearly two generations ago right there.

    Point 2 - fallout from the "Billy Dispute"

    It is possible that as a business they no longer want to deal with video game scores, equating what happened with Billy's scores with potentially all the rest. A decision could have been made where they discussed no longer touching video game scores with a proverbial 10-foot pole.

    You can't blame them for making such a decision. They could very well regard the whole video game industry now as potentially radioactive in terms of integrity, and that decision could very well affect the entire speed run and PvP industries as well. Time will tell whether their decision is strictly limited to Twin Galaxies or not. And on that note...

    Point 3 - the "Trust" factor

    Guinness could have taken a second "look" at Twin Galaxies the organization and came to the conclusion that they could no longer place implicit trust in its recommendations or findings. Whatever relationship that was repaired when Jace took hold of the reigns may have been fractured beyond repair if Guinness took this extreme stance on the "Billy dispute" matter.

    Or...this first year post-dispute is too volatile for Guinness to include gaming scores again. The wounds are still fresh and public opinion is still running on the hot-side. So maybe this first edition after the dispute conclusion is just a temporary "Time Out" on their part, one taken without announcement or fanfare, just a simple decision that was enacted for the time being and which will be re-evaluated in time for the next edition's preparation.

    ***********************

    As for abandoning Twin Galaxies because of a lack of Guinness association, that is a gamer's prerogative of course, but Guinness is not why we strive for records at the core, we do it for ourselves first and foremost.

    If the "Billy dispute" includes as part of its Fallout the obliteration of the Guinness relationship, that is a sad outcome indeed, effectively all due to one (1) gamer's ego-driven pursuit for so-called "Redemption" in full light of a proven cheating scandal.

    Wrong assumptions as usual. Do you even own or have you read the book?

    If you followed their trend, the past 4-5 editions prior, you would know that Guinness mainly focuses on eSports.
    They also disclosed in this years issue, they have an alliance with speedrun.com, as their scores/times are heavily populated throughout.

    As for your weird and CREEPY obsession with " anything" Billy Mitchell, WRONG again. The dispute came about only 2 years ago, TG high score pages were eliminated 4-5 years ago.

    In this years, 2020 edition: Old school games section... I see Don Hayes Dig-Dug score represented. Even Jeremy Youngs' Donkey Kong 1-1 high score is there too. (All verified by TG) You created that DK 1-1 high score track, so we have you to thanks, right? Or did you (yet again) assume you did?
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  10. 10-03-2019, 09:15 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Marcade View Post
    Wrong assumptions as usual. Do you even own or have you read the book?

    If you followed their trend, the past 4-5 editions prior, you would know that Guinness mainly focuses on eSports.
    They also disclosed in this years issue, they have an alliance with speedrun.com, as their scores/times are heavily populated throughout.

    As for your weird and CREEPY obsession with " anything" Billy Mitchell, WRONG again. The dispute came about only 2 years ago, TG high score pages were eliminated 4-5 years ago.

    In this years, 2020 edition: Old school games section... I see Don Hayes Dig-Dug score represented. Even Jeremy Youngs' Donkey Kong 1-1 high score is there too. (All verified by TG) You created that DK 1-1 high score track, so we have you to thanks, right? Or did you (yet again) assume you did?


    RTM REPLY - as usual "Marcade" has his head up his you-know-what and can't resist bashing my comments. That's his problem and there are solutions for that...they cost $200+ an hour, require you to lie down on a couch and tell the shrink your problems. I suggest you book an appointment, at least a few. MY "creep obsessions with Mitchell ?? You're at the top of the list of creepy when it comes to your own reactions to my posts, "Marcade".


    My comments...in case you did not read carefully, specifically address someone's post "1. Perhaps people don't care anymore about TG, the gamers who play games, and their high scores? What say you?"

    Although I have and do read Guinness I am not required to in order to post to the specific gamer comment that I did.

    Who the heck appointed you the person who determines who can and cannot post to the TG forum and under what circumstances ? A certain other gamer seemed to self-appoint themselves to that same elevated status not long ago so at least you are in similar company.

    As for the (1-1) track the concept itself was unofficially created decades ago from anecdotal discussions with Billy and Chris who recounted the best that they had accomplished at the beginnings of their game. Adding that challenge to the TG database was simply creating a benchmark for others to follow, and I can't remember at this point which referee added it to the TG database and when.

    If you don't like my posts, I suggest you petition Jace Hall to do something about it.
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