Dispute: Angela Stefanski - Atari Jaguar - Zool 2 - USA - Player: Wes Powell - Score: 245,480

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  1. Dispute: Angela Stefanski - Atari Jaguar - Zool 2 - USA - Player: Wes Powell - Score: 245,480

    12-20-2019, 10:55 AM
    Atari Jaguar - Zool 2 - USA
    Score Track
    https://www.twingalaxies.com/scores.php?scores=948
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    Player Name
    Wes Powell
    Original Adjudication
    N/A
    Verification Method
    Referee
    Verification Date
    2004-06-11
    Disputed Score
    245,480 (Rank 2)
    Disputed By
    GibGirl
    Dispute Evidence / Rationale
    Still going with the good ol' crap score removal. (I invite anyone else interested in helping clean things up to look at the first link below, find any of those scores that are on TG, and dispute them with a copy or paraphrasing of the text of this dispute.)

    This score was added to the database from an external site. https://goo.gl/wUb5X8 (link to internet archive mirror) Evidence is strong that this site did absolutely no validations of any of the scores, accepting all claims as valid. Just looking at the content of the page, with just a form to "submit" a score, shows this to be likely.

    Further, multiple scores added to the database from this external list have already been disputed and removed due to being impossible, (see this dispute: https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthr...13,343,567,930 ) which should itself be sufficient to show that nothing on that list should be considered trustworthy. Also, this particular score is attributed to a person that is not a TG user, and has submitted no scores to TG at any point.

    I believe this score does not meet any of the standards for inclusion on TG and should be removed.
  2. 12-20-2019, 04:47 PM
    I'll admit this is the first time I delved into the series of disputes connected to the Jaguar.

    The link you provided points to Atari Jaguar High Score page maintained by the University of Evansville Gamers' Guild (started in 1998 I think). In bold text the page has the statement "Featured in the soon to be available Twin Galaxies High Score book!"

    Can we confirm if the Jaguar scores tracked by the Guild were entered into the TG High Score book? If they are reflected there, then this would suggest to me something more formal, bordering possibly on a partnership akin to Snipercade scores being included in the TG database.
  3. 12-26-2019, 04:05 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by The Evener View Post
    I'll admit this is the first time I delved into the series of disputes connected to the Jaguar.

    The link you provided points to Atari Jaguar High Score page maintained by the University of Evansville Gamers' Guild (started in 1998 I think). In bold text the page has the statement "Featured in the soon to be available Twin Galaxies High Score book!"

    Can we confirm if the Jaguar scores tracked by the Guild were entered into the TG High Score book? If they are reflected there, then this would suggest to me something more formal, bordering possibly on a partnership akin to Snipercade scores being included in the TG database.
    Snipercade is a different scenario entirely. Due to the then-TG scoreboard being a version which almost no-one could alter, the then-referees used their own website to house the "live" scoreboard. Snipercade was one such site: ran by the then-Chief Ref.

    Similar to this Atari Jaguar scenario is the former Tower of Pinball ( http://web.archive.org/web/*/pcpinball.com ) web site where a great many PC pinball games were documented from. Note: this scenario is a perfectly "normal" part of the TG legacy - the collection of scores from external sources and occurred from many different sources. Documenting such legacy sources is a good use of the Dispute thread mechanism but in itself doesn't make a score invalid, IMO.
    I'd rather be last on every game than throw my time away chasing only one score.
  4. 12-26-2019, 07:39 PM
    I haven't dug into that relationship, but that's because I don't think it's relevant.

    Multiple disputes have shown that the web site did NOT do any significant validation, as there were scores on the list that were not hard to dispute with overwheming evidence - the initial dispute I did on the AvP score shows how ridiculous one of the scores was. Whomever added the scores to TG back when it was done made a bad decision and did not do sufficient due diligence to make sure of the legitimacy of the source.

    We can't change that decision, but we can undo it now.
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