Dispute: Angela Stefanski - Atari Jaguar - Cybermorph - default settings - Player: Wes Powell - Score: 1,335,050

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  1. Dispute: Angela Stefanski - Atari Jaguar - Cybermorph - default settings - Player: Wes Powell - Score: 1,335,050

    11-19-2019, 09:33 AM
    Atari Jaguar - Cybermorph - default settings
    Score Track
    https://www.twingalaxies.com/scores.php?scores=2408
    Rules
    This game has no settings for the player to select, therefore no specific rules apply. Please use default settings.
    Player Name
    Wes Powell
    Original Adjudication
    N/A
    Verification Method
    Referee
    Verification Date
    2004-06-11
    Disputed Score
    1,335,050 (Rank 1)
    Disputed By
    GibGirl
    Dispute Evidence / Rationale
    Yes, more good ol' crap score removal. (I invite anyone else interested in helping clean things up to look at the first link below, find any of those scores that are on TG, and dispute them with a copy or paraphrasing of the text of this dispute.)

    This score was added to the database from an external site. https://goo.gl/wUb5X8 (link to internet archive mirror) Evidence is strong that this site did absolutely no validations of any of the scores, accepting all claims as valid. Just looking at the content of the page, with just a form to "submit" a score, shows this to be likely.

    Further, multiple scores added to the database from this external list have already been disputed and removed due to being impossible, (see this dispute: https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthr...13,343,567,930 ) which should itself be sufficient to show that nothing on that list should be considered trustworthy. Also, this particular score is attributed to a person that is not a TG user, and has submitted no scores to TG at any point.

    I believe this score does not meet any of the standards for inclusion on TG and should be removed.
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  2. 11-19-2019, 08:07 PM
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  3. 12-08-2019, 09:56 PM
    Scores like this were entered based on the standards at the time (no matter how loose or different than they are today)
    There's no justification for their removal but I do think they should be grandfathered/archived under "affiliate" or something similar
  4. 12-09-2019, 09:14 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Barra View Post
    Scores like this were entered based on the standards at the time (no matter how loose or different than they are today)
    There's no justification for their removal but I do think they should be grandfathered/archived under "affiliate" or something similar
    First, are you saying that the standards at the time did not require any evidence for the achievement of a score before it was entered into the database? If so, I think people would be very interested in knowing this so we could further identify additional scores that ended up in the database based on nothing more than a random person typing a few things into a web form.

    Second, I disagree completely there's no justification - as you can see in the linked dispute in my original comment, it's already been demonstrated the source of these scores contained multiple impossible records within it. Given the number that have been accepted, it also seems Jace is in agreement that TG does not want to stand behind any of those scores, and I will continue disputing them.
  5. 12-09-2019, 11:12 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by GibGirl View Post
    First, are you saying that the standards at the time did not require any evidence for the achievement of a score before it was entered into the database? If so, I think people would be very interested in knowing this so we could further identify additional scores that ended up in the database based on nothing more than a random person typing a few things into a web form.

    Second, I disagree completely there's no justification - as you can see in the linked dispute in my original comment, it's already been demonstrated the source of these scores contained multiple impossible records within it. Given the number that have been accepted, it also seems Jace is in agreement that TG does not want to stand behind any of those scores, and I will continue disputing them.
    Yes, standards at the time included pulling scores from affiliate websites and entering them into the TG database.

    I can see the argument for both sides, if hes already pulling them then that's probably better than leaving them up. Theres a number of scores in the database with the verification method as "affiliate [no longer accepted]", and I've even seen at least one that has its verification method as "unverified" although I cant remember the platform/game/player. I'll do some digging.

    I guess the trust was placed with the initial website the score was pulled from and if the integrity of the site can be called into question then so can these scores.

    Anyway, keep up the good work
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  6. 12-09-2019, 11:18 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Barra View Post
    Yes, standards at the time included pulling scores from affiliate websites and entering them into the TG database.

    I can see the argument for both sides, if hes already pulling them then that's probably better than leaving them up. Theres a number of scores in the database with the verification method as "affiliate [no longer accepted]", and I've even seen at least one that has its verification method as "unverified" although I cant remember the platform/game/player. I'll do some digging.

    I guess the trust was placed with the initial website the score was pulled from and if the integrity of the site can be called into question then so can these scores.

    Anyway, keep up the good work
    Ok, thanks! The first score that was disputed was had a lot of work done to demonstrate multiple ways the score was not just impossible, but completely unbelievable. I wanted to set that foundation that the source of the score was completely devoid of trust so that they could all be removed. I'm doing what I can for the scoring community by helping clean up the scoreboards here.
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  7. 12-15-2019, 07:06 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Barra View Post
    Yes, standards at the time included pulling scores from affiliate websites and entering them into the TG database.
    This statement is 100% accurate, however, the website from which th8s record came was never a TG affiliate.
  8. 12-17-2019, 06:49 PM
    i can see merit to adding "import" -- semantics i know, but i think an argument against "affiliate" was well made. and if import is no good, point is it should at least be clear where this came from

    i also fully agree with disputing it -- which is not necessarily the same as removal. the fact that this particular site already had many scores removed for being impossible i do think makes any other scores at least deserving of an asterix that allows people to realize the standards of the place from where the imports came.
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