wow this has been a real eye opener. is this what i sound like fighting with rtm or a.d.?

i read every comment and its taxing. i dont wanna skip anything unless theres something important mixed in.

you've both made your point thoroughly, and you havent you never will.

ersatz, there are many times i suspect jace is misleading or even lying -- what business owner isnt. but you've focused on such a minor thing where mind reading really is required i'm frankly not convinced you caught him in a lie. its a weird point to choose from when there are other examples. you've stated your case in full, just ask him what his motivation was. now that you've thoroughly beaten him over the head with your claims and examples ask as the final straw. i can see not asking right away, give him enough rope to hang himself, and then pull out your win. well how much more rope do you need to give him? you've gotten all the info out of him, now ask him to tell him you're reason and go for the win if you think you have it

jace same deal. i actually in this case find your story plausible. but i dont get repeatedly asking ersatz to ask you. just tell him the reason. you've thoroughly made your point that he's making a conclusion without asking. you've also given him all the rope he needs to hang himsel now go for the win

fine, i'll ask the question. Jace Hall, would you please be so kind as to enlighten me on the exact reason why you moved ersatz post to his wall.

Echoing Snowflake, just wanted to point out that ersatz_cats posed the question in a post on 8 Dec 2019, but was apparently overlooked.

Originally Posted by ersatz_cats

Originally Posted by Jace Hall

Literally just trying to do something helpful while I was in process of addressing my ACTUAL motivation for wanting to move it to your wall (which, at some point you may want to ask me what it was).

Okaaaaaaay. What was your actual motivation, then?

Originally Posted by The Evener

Echoing Snowflake, just wanted to point out that ersatz_cats posed the question in a post on 8 Dec 2019, but was apparently overlooked.

wow two apolgoies from me in one thread, this is embarassing. my apologies to ersatz for forgetting that. i do recall it now but forget as i read through the other stuff.

Other than that my point remains, jace please answer the question, this can be ended.

Originally Posted by Ninglendo

Gee, it makes you wonder what the motive was for active competitors wanting to "help out" by becoming refs knowing what we know now...

RTM REPLY - that's a very valid point. Initially refs were hand-selected by the management team based on our personal experience in dealing with them. The process was slow at first but in time things picked up. By 2005 there was a larger influx of referees and it was hard to keep track of who was a TG staffer at that point so someone (I forget who) was charged with maintaining the TG staff link for the front page. I am not even sure at that point if Walter himself gave the ratification for all incoming staffers as there were so many being brought onboard.

Originally Posted by Jace Hall

...plans within plans...

The spice must flow!

Originally Posted by RTM

RTM REPLY - that's a very valid point. Initially refs were hand-selected by the management team based on our personal experience in dealing with them. The process was slow at first but in time things picked up. By 2005 there was a larger influx of referees and it was hard to keep track of who was a TG staffer at that point so someone (I forget who) was charged with maintaining the TG staff link for the front page. I am not even sure at that point if Walter himself gave the ratification for all incoming staffers as there were so many being brought onboard.

The staff page responsibility was given to myself but that fact got lost on whomever was hiring & it quickly fell in+out of accuracy as I struggled to "find out" what was going on myself - "growing pains".

Originally Posted by RTM

-> During production of the 2nd TG Book of Records Walter was pulling in data from something he referred to as the "TG Tamagatchi Scoreboard", a venue based in Italy name notwithstanding, and again that's what its name sounded like as I only heard this verbally, not in written format.

Sounds like the one Mark Hoff referenced way back - the hard archives of the old printed copies from Twin Galaxies' scoreboard in the 80s (I think that was the era - Mark posted snapshots - the scoreboard was printed on yellow paper: description might help someone else find the posts here). Began with a V?

[Edit:] Found what it was I was remembering but it wasn't the Italian site. Mark definitely referenced them at some point, but it wasn't the printed copied! What I was remembering can be seen at

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/142535-1983-Twin-Galaxies-Scores-and-Rules

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/142536-Twin-Galaxies-Scores-and-Rules-part-2

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/142537-Twin-Galaxies-Scores-and-Rules-Part-3

Documentation from archives at- http://www.videoparadise-sanjose.com (Wayne Coombs)

[Edit 2:] My memory was "correct" just munged the two together: Videogiochi

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/139524-1983-Video-Game-Masters-Tournament-XONOX-Spike-s-Peak

http://www.retro-gaming.it/videogiochi_img/magazine_videogiochi/videogiochi9/videogiochi9.htm

Originally Posted by Snowflake

wow this has been a real eye opener. is this what i sound like fighting with rtm or a.d.?

Yes, you have represented both sides of this argument in different discussions. :D (Probably me too!)

Originally Posted by Barthax

Sounds like the one Mark Hoff referenced way back - the hard archives of the old printed copies from Twin Galaxies' scoreboard in the 80s (I think that was the era - Mark posted snapshots - the scoreboard was printed on yellow paper: description might help someone else find the posts here). Began with a V?

[Edit:] Found what it was I was remembering but it wasn't the Italian site. Mark definitely referenced them at some point, but it wasn't the printed copied! What I was remembering can be seen at

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthr...ores-and-Rules

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthr...d-Rules-part-2

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthr...d-Rules-Part-3

Documentation from archives at- http://www.videoparadise-sanjose.com (Wayne Coombs)

[Edit 2:] My memory was "correct" just munged the two together: Videogiochi

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthr...X-Spike-s-Peak

http://www.retro-gaming.it/videogioc...deogiochi9.htm

Thanks for the links, very interesting :) isn't videogiochi the same publication that is mentioned in that Nibbler "document"?

Originally Posted by Joonas

Thanks for the links, very interesting :) isn't videogiochi the same publication that is mentioned in that Nibbler "document"?

The first time I can remember any reference to Videogiochi was Mark's post. My memory is failing on anything Nibbler related. :(