Nintendo Switch - Puyo Puyo Tetris - Marathon(Endless Mode) - 21,343,536 - Sean Christo

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  1. Nintendo Switch - Puyo Puyo Tetris - Marathon(Endless Mode) - 21,343,536 - Sean Christo

    12-31-2019, 06:54 PM
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    Marathon(Endless Mode)
    Score Trackhttps://www.twingalaxies.com/scores.php?scores=209242
    RulesFrom The Solo Arcade, the player must pick the Challenge area and then Marathon Mode.
    The player is free to pick any character to play as and any Starting Level. In the Settings area please be sure to turn Endless Mode on.
    Pausing is allowed.
    Submission MessageOn December 29th 2019 on Mixer, I filmed myself preparing to break the world record in the endless Marathon Tetris mode of Puyo Puyo Tetris. I was actually planning to break the record on January 11th. I was only intending to become more fluent with the game and streaming itself when I recorded this session.
    Please forgive me for some discrepancies; I am very new to streaming:
    1. The echo in the beginning. I believe I had volume and microphone set to the same feed on Player.me
    2. The intermissions without audio. I didn't realize going to the intermission screen didn't mute my feed, so I manually did so myself in editor to keep private conversations with my SO.
    3. The brief minute wherein I was still playing while on the intermission screen. I included the audio there. Unfortunately, Player.me simply got stuck (it seems to be a program still in beta).
    4. The cursing.
    My mixer is mixer.com/rcb . I am attempting to build a small following and eventually go to the Tetris World Championships.
    Last edited by Jace Hall; 01-15-2020 at 01:06 AM.
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  2. 01-02-2020, 11:12 PM
    I'm not familiar with the Nintendo Switch at all, so by no means am I any sort of authority on scores performed on it, but there are a couple of issues I'm observing with this run that *might* be a problem to get this passed:
    1. The pause at around the one-hour mark. I believe that generally speaking, pausing a game is a disqualifying act (again, I could be wrong ... but I believe that is a TG-wide standard expectation), meaning, any score accrual after the pause is dq'ed and therefore not counted. Again, this might not be an issue ... I'd like some of our resident Nintendo experts to opine on this before I come to any conclusions about this specifically.
    2. Granted, I did not watch the entire 6 hours, however, I did skim around and did not see any demonstration of the original hardware within the footage. Is it there and I just missed it? And if so, around what time within the video does it occur? Demonstrating the hardware (console, game disc, cartridge, etc.) is typically expected, but not required -HOWEVER- many (most?) people will not vote on your submission if those elements are not contained somewhere within the footage ... and that's if they don't straight up vote no.

    I would recommend taking a look at this link to give you a better idea of what is expected:
    https://www.twingalaxies.com/help

    Section 3.0B of the "Marathon" section does say, "For the home console format, using pause for any reason is not permitted.", however, that same section does seem to indicate that a "Marathon" is a game lasting longer than 12 hours, thus, the need for the community to chime in on whether the "no-pause" expectation for home consoles applies across the board or just to 12hr+ marathons. As far as I was aware, it does apply across the board.

    These issues aside, that was an amazing performance. I'll be abstaining until these other issues are hammered out.
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  3. 01-03-2020, 03:14 AM
    So I was initially assuming that as well, neophyte to twin galaxies though I am, but I watched Alvin Garcia's undisputed world record in this and he paused several times. Not to use him as a perfect example, but I also didn't see him demonstrate hardware.https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthr...9-alvin-garcia

    Does demonstrating my switch controller and being led to the home menu by a hardware malfunction constitute demonstration, by the way?
    Also the record in sprint mode doesn't show anything - it is just the in-game recorded replay and also undisputed
    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/202814

    Et tu might be a logical fallacy, but those standing records did set a precedent for me.
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  4. 01-10-2020, 08:55 PM
    Great to see your first submission, SallowDay, and wow, it's a big one!

    I'm fighting a cold, so I'm not able to put together a completely coherent message, but I looked into pausing here at TG and in the broader community to get a handle on how it's generally viewed within respective communities. Here's a random set of links to rule sets for various tournaments:

    https://smash.gg/tournament/perfect-...overview/rules

    https://www.midwestgamingclassic.com...ionship-rules/

    https://tetrissuomi.wordpress.com/english/rules/

    Looking at YouTube, I came across various positions in the community. One interesting video tackled pausing in rhythm games - there's an open debate about the role of pausing, does it defeat the purpose of stamina-based games, controversy over allowing leaderboard recognition for players who pause games, lack of guidance for how long pauses can be when they're used, etc.

    Here at TG, there's been discussion about pausing. In some cases, rules specifically address how pausing may be used in a game. In other cases, accidental pausing is generally viewed as something that wouldn't automatically run afoul of rules where pausing is generally prohibited.


    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthr...0-Mandi-Barker

    Your examination of previous submissions on the game is a great approach to see what's been approved so you can observe the same general conditions in your own submission. In Andrew's game, do you recall at what moments of the game he paused? If it was accidental, then perhaps it was approved under that "exception."

    That's not to say that pausing must always be forbidden - specific tracks can in theory be created under the Puyo Puyo Tetris title to have rule sets that specifically permit pausing, for example. if there is interest in the community to compete under those conditions. There's some parallel discussion here:

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/pridebu...-or-speed-runs
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  5. 01-11-2020, 01:21 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by The Evener View Post
    Great to see your first submission, SallowDay, and wow, it's a big one!

    I'm fighting a cold, so I'm not able to put together a completely coherent message, but I looked into pausing here at TG and in the broader community to get a handle on how it's generally viewed within respective communities. Here's a random set of links to rule sets for various tournaments:

    https://smash.gg/tournament/perfect-...overview/rules

    https://www.midwestgamingclassic.com...ionship-rules/

    https://tetrissuomi.wordpress.com/english/rules/

    Looking at YouTube, I came across various positions in the community. One interesting video tackled pausing in rhythm games - there's an open debate about the role of pausing, does it defeat the purpose of stamina-based games, controversy over allowing leaderboard recognition for players who pause games, lack of guidance for how long pauses can be when they're used, etc.

    Here at TG, there's been discussion about pausing. In some cases, rules specifically address how pausing may be used in a game. In other cases, accidental pausing is generally viewed as something that wouldn't automatically run afoul of rules where pausing is generally prohibited.


    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthr...0-Mandi-Barker

    Your examination of previous submissions on the game is a great approach to see what's been approved so you can observe the same general conditions in your own submission. In Andrew's game, do you recall at what moments of the game he paused? If it was accidental, then perhaps it was approved under that "exception."

    That's not to say that pausing must always be forbidden - specific tracks can in theory be created under the Puyo Puyo Tetris title to have rule sets that specifically permit pausing, for example. if there is interest in the community to compete under those conditions. There's some parallel discussion here:

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/pridebu...-or-speed-runs
    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthr...9-alvin-garcia

    Alvin Garcia pauses with 1:34:52 left in the video, intentionally, to stretch. That is merely the first example. I see absolutely no problem with him doing this, and apparently neither did TwinGalaxies, since no one brought it up at all.

    To forbid pausing is setting a dangerous precedent - the max score in this game is 99 million. I reached 20 million in about 6 hours. One would have to deny necessary bodily functions, such as urination and taking in food, to attempt a world record in this aspect. For me, I have dogs that I must take care of, as well.

    The first gentleman to object brought up the rules of a "Marathon," but what is a marathon? Yes, I know the game mode is indeed called a marathon, but this record is about score, not about time.

    Another thing to note is that the board, the held piece, and the next pieces are all rendered invisible when you pause - there is no advantage to be gained in terms of time to think. In fact, since you're likely to forget the board, it's actually a disadvantage.

    I must bring up that I'm in the middle of setting a new world record in this and have, obviously given that I'm responding to your post, paused amidst the game.
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  6. 01-11-2020, 01:30 PM
    Alvin Garcia also pauses, intentionally, with 1:18 left in his video. Again, I see no problem with it. I'm only asking that the same standard be applied. There is no reason to disregard his or my submissions for pausing, especially with the leniency of the sprint world record.

    I must also reiterate that this world record is a points world record, not a stamina world record.
  7. 01-11-2020, 02:27 PM
    Welcome Sean Christo to Twin Galaxy a TG Wr.You destroyed it.

    1. Twin Galaxy has a Rule that Pausing a game during play is not allowed.
    Here are Twin Galaxy Rules for your game-> Nintendo Switch - Puyo Puyo Tetris - Marathon(Endless Mode) a. From The Solo Arcade,
    b. the player must pick the Challenge area and then Marathon Mode.
    c. The player is free to pick any character to play as and any Starting Level.
    d. In the Settings area please be sure to turn Endless Mode on.

    2. Unless specified by the founder/creator of a video game track

    3. Sean Christo you can create vdeo game track & make your own rules yourself. also there are a few video games that allow it, for example RPG , players are allowed to go into the menu to get things.

    4. Here is the Pause in your game, that Garrett Holland was talking about here at 5:07:44 left on the video. I am sorry that happened especially playing 6 hours on the game & smashing the Wr. Sean Christo you can play game again and score higher.Name:  image.png
Views: 112
Size:  1.44 MB


    5. Sean you can DISPUTE Alvin Garcia video game submission, if you want. It is your choice.

    Sean Christo said:
    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthr...9-alvin-garcia



    Alvin Garcia pauses with 1:34:52 left in the video, intentionally, to stretch. That is merely the first example. I see absolutely no problem with him doing this, and apparently neither did TwinGalaxies, since no one brought it up at all.

    Marathon(Endless Mode) FOUNDED BY: TWIN GALAXIES ; samhain2099 ;View Rules View All Submission
    Rank 1 Sean Christo Date Submitted: 2020-01-01 Percent: 100.00%Verification Method: IN PROCESS Status: Vote Points 21,343,536
    Rank 2 alvin garcia Date Submitted: 2019-04-07 Percent: 44.40% Verification Method: TGSAP Status: Undisputed Points 9,475,959

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  8. 01-11-2020, 02:34 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by JJT_Defender View Post
    Welcome Sean Christo to Twin Galaxy a TG Wr.You destroyed it.

    1. Twin Galaxy has a Rule that Pausing a game during play is not allowed.
    Here are Twin Galaxy Rules for your game-> Nintendo Switch - Puyo Puyo Tetris - Marathon(Endless Mode) a. From The Solo Arcade,
    b. the player must pick the Challenge area and then Marathon Mode.
    c. The player is free to pick any character to play as and any Starting Level.
    d. In the Settings area please be sure to turn Endless Mode on.

    2. Unless specified by the founder/creator of a video game track

    3. Sean Christo you can create vdeo game track & make your own rules yourself. also there are a few video games that allow it, for example RPG , players are allowed to go into the menu to get things.

    4. Here is the Pause in your game, that Garrett Holland was talking about here at 5:07:44 left on the video. I am sorry that happened especially playing 6 hours on the game & smashing the Wr. Sean Christo you can play game again and score higher.Name:  image.png
Views: 112
Size:  1.44 MB


    5. Sean you can DISPUTE Alvin Garcia video game submission, if you want. It is your choice.

    Sean Christo said:
    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthr...9-alvin-garcia



    Alvin Garcia pauses with 1:34:52 left in the video, intentionally, to stretch. That is merely the first example. I see absolutely no problem with him doing this, and apparently neither did TwinGalaxies, since no one brought it up at all.

    Marathon(Endless Mode) FOUNDED BY: TWIN GALAXIES ; samhain2099 ;View Rules View All Submission
    Rank 1 Sean Christo Date Submitted: 2020-01-01 Percent: 100.00%Verification Method: IN PROCESS Status: Vote Points 21,343,536
    Rank 2 alvin garcia Date Submitted: 2019-04-07 Percent: 44.40% Verification Method: TGSAP Status: Undisputed Points 9,475,959

    You were the primary person who accepted Alvin Garcia's record.

    Explain why you accepted his with pausing and rejected mine for pausing, please.
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  9. 01-11-2020, 02:41 PM
    No, I can't "dispute" Alvin's record because "Minimum Credibility Required to submit a dispute is 4000."

    I say this with all sincerity in my heart and no anger: this website is disgracefully corrupt.

    To accept one record with pauses and reject another for pausing is indefensible.
  10. 01-11-2020, 02:50 PM
    Also, what you paused does not contain any rules on pausing, JJT.
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