Originally Posted by TRB_MetroidTeam

I yet need to watch the complete video of Ulisses.
I'd like to know if any anomaly was observed in his gameplay, because the code was asked, and I can't find nothing different than the oficial game, so far.

I'm not sure what the relevance of the existence of anomalies in game play would be here. I literally just explained that ROMs can be modified in a way not detectable solely by viewing the game play. And we have no idea if it's the official game or not, which is the point. It's a third-party multicart that was manufactured by a shady individual with ties to an illegal IP-stealing company with a sordid history of hacking ROMs and releasing them to the public. Moreover, I can bet that Ulisses did not contact the manufacturer and request the MD5 of the Kangaroo data on his specific 480-in-1 cart. In the off-chance he did, I would be that they didn't answer.

Again, if one wants to play Atari 2600 titles casually (or titles on any other platform for that matter), then these XXX-in-1 carts are great. Conversely, if one feels so strongly about getting recognition in a competitive environment by a community whose entire existence and purpose is competition, then one will have to do better than use something other than *VERIFIABLE* original hardware/software. If one cares less about recognition, then be satisfied with a reject.

I am no longer abstaining and will be VOTING NO. I have found no example of any Atari 2600 submission that has been accepted on TwinGalaxies where the score was performed on a third-party XXX-in-1 cart. I'm not suggesting one does not exist ... just acknowledging that from the thousands of submissions I have seen, no such example was observed. My only surprise is that there are actually arguments (excuses?) in favor of accepting this, and I can't help but to speculate on motivation for doing so.

Ulisses is good enough at this game to get a similar if not better score using legit hardware/software. I have a great idea: How about we all set this new member and others down the right path, and not encourage them to use something other than original hardware? Wouldn't that be swell? I think so. This isn't AtariAge where literally anything goes.

Originally Posted by Garrett Holland

I'm not sure what the relevance of the existence of anomalies in game play would be here.

Thank you for answering, and thanks for confirming that you can't find anomalies in Ulisses performance, so far.


If I find, I'll let people know. And I hope everyone will do the same, including Ulisses.

Is this Performance Claim Valid?
Yes. Accepted.

garrett, mind you i'm not arguing in favor of an accept, just questioning your logic

in your berzerk example i think you would find the proof by analyzing pauses and then noticing the reset bug never happens

let me ask you this, if someone hacked a rom to change the third level, but they lost all lives before completing the unedited first level would that be an issue?

i strongly suspect people would be ok with a modification that doesnt affect gameplay in anyway. i'm not saying thats ok i just think its important to ask how we feel in general to make sure all are treated the same

Originally Posted by TRB_MetroidTeam

Thank you for answering, and thanks for confirming that you can't find anomalies.

Fascinating comments. I did not answer your question, and I made no such confirmation. This is quite a remarkable demonstration of seeing what you want to see and ignoring everything else.

Indeed, I have zero clue whether there are anomalies, because I stopped watching the footage the moment I saw that hack cartridge manufactured by that unindicted, IP-stealing criminal who has a sordid history of hacking ROMs. Why would I bother when an XXX-in-1 third party manufactured cartridge has never been acceptable? LoL!

I digress ... if he were to do what *everyone else is expected to do* and use a generally acceptable medium to play Atari 2600 titles (i.e. SD cart), then anomalies *AT THAT POINT* can potentially be explained by simply having the submitter post the MD5 code.

Seriously, Valter, what about this are you not getting?

I watched the entire video of the record starting and did not notice any irregularities, so my vote is yes !!!!!!
And congratulations on the Ulisses score.