Dispute: paul kearns - Arcade - Kung Fu Master - Points - Player: Mike Sullivan - Score: 1,349,040

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  1. 10-21-2021, 12:46 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by Barra View Post
    Unfortunately it rolls. Would have been far too easy!
    I actually done what Redelf asks here many years ago, and can't properly remember! I'm 80% sure it rolled over. I had one try earlier using Redelfs clever measures, and it was so hard, I gave up immediately.
    Even though I had a pattern for that years ago, it was never 100% effective. A money stealer. A blood boiler. A relationship ender.
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  2. 10-21-2021, 01:00 AM
    Out of interest, I thought I'd make a video from where Redelf asks. As you can see, it's almost impossible to get past the first stage, never mind the boss. I had a pattern for it, but it was still random, and never worked all the time. We are to believe, Mr Sullivan done this a further two times to get his score. Look how hard this is. I gave it 3 tries.

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  3. 10-27-2021, 01:24 AM
    After deliberation...
    This score is so bogus, I can't even announce it in words. Twice as much points as almost anyone on Earth in 30 years, and he never bettered his score when getting the real cabinet as a prize at home. Dubious.
    Has anyone got a KFM machine, to prove there is an easier option in the dips?
    No photo, no footage, no proper adjudication, no referee's name, in the ripest time of bogus submissions, etc. Without utilising the speed punch and "chaining" techniques that I invented and adopt, which never existed when this submission occurred, his game would have taken an hour or more, and in my eyes, could never be accomplished.
    I can score twice or more than Mr Sullivan on the first floor, and the first 5 floors. No one can leech as much as I do on all the second floors, which are the point makers. Nobody has any evidence of doing any better than I can do using arcade or the correct or ANY rom,
    in "30 YEARS."
    It's not boasting, it's a ROASTING.
    My skill and score is viewable, Mr Sullivans is a fantasy. 6 months for an elite "unachievable" score with a handful of records, never to be seen again on TG like "ALL" the other cheaters, Vs years of experience with the highest and fastest scores, ever, with over a thousand records, and proud to be discussing and challenging them. I beat a MARP KFM record and got over 600,000 on my first life.
    Goodbye Mr Chips. You lied. I bet you have been BEGGING for someone to beat your score to help prove you are not a cheat, but it never happened. Same as the Donkey Kong cheating ar-sehole. He got famous, for reasons I can never comprehend.
    Some of you guys are absolutely insane. It's about time the sane ones were notified about the insane types.
    Living in pure fantasy land like a damn child, and still riding that lion in Narnia for 30 years in silence.
    Champions rejoice. Liars and Apollo astronots do NOT !
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  4. 10-27-2021, 03:39 PM
    Perhaps Twin Galaxies can contact Guinness Book of World Records and request all documentation that was submitted for the 1984 & 1985 Twin Galaxies sponsored events (1984 & 1985 VGMTs and other Guinness related events) whose records appear in their books. Guinness may still have a trove of valuable documents in a file cabinet somewhere that could help to actually validate or invalidate some of the scores in question, like the Kung Fu Master record. Just having locations of the game, the witnesses who watched the game, and the length of game might provide clues to the validity of the score. I would think a simple email request from Twin Galaxies could get the ball rolling there.
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  5. 10-27-2021, 05:43 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by TJKinkead View Post
    Perhaps Twin Galaxies can contact Guinness Book of World Records and request all documentation that was submitted for the 1984 & 1985 Twin Galaxies sponsored events (1984 & 1985 VGMTs and other Guinness related events) whose records appear in their books. Guinness may still have a trove of valuable documents in a file cabinet somewhere that could help to actually validate or invalidate some of the scores in question, like the Kung Fu Master record. Just having locations of the game, the witnesses who watched the game, and the length of game might provide clues to the validity of the score. I would think a simple email request from Twin Galaxies could get the ball rolling there.
    My understanding of the process was that Walter Day was a pseudo-editor working for Guinness on the video games file, and consequently the most Guinness would have ever got in terms of documentation was the typed out results of the "top" scores for each game, along with other metadata that Guinness included BITD such as birth date and city of birth for each name entry. Since the daily results were phoned to Day, and then he announced the overall winners at the end of the tournament, I don't believe the various participating locations were required to mail him the material at the end - any docs they used at each arcade were just for scorekeepers to keep track of things over the course of the tournament. But that's just my understanding, and I agree would be very interesting to hear if Guinness still has any TG related correspondence from the 80s in their corporate archives for the various editions that printed VGMT scores.

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    http://www.videoparadise-sanjose.com/1984vgmt-rules.htm
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  6. 10-27-2021, 06:24 PM
    Thanks for those comments, guys.
    So, all it took was a phone call, from someone who may not be a referee and may have not witnessed this or any scores being achieved, to achieve a "verified" world record. No evidence at all.
    When I first joined TG, I was speaking to a player on YouTube, who played Defender BITD. We bought the same magazines, and he submitted a couple of scores to "Computer & Video Games" magazine. He did not know what Twin Galaxies was. His score is in the TG database. TG dumped a lot of scores from that Magazine. His name is Gary Spencer, and is ranked 25th. Verified by a "referee". He does not even have a TG account.
    https://www.twingalaxies.com/game/de.../1?ref=fbshare

    I'm sure his score is real, but no evidence was required. Just the say so of another. So, it's more widespread than we think, but they are not all fake scores.

    If I submitted my Bomb Jack arcade score there, I would be the BJ TG champ with just under 27 million points.
    Guess what? It would be on the wrong settings.
    Cheers guys.
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  7. 10-27-2021, 06:43 PM
    setting on imported scores is one of the biggest issues. Fine, sure, not everyone that submits to a magazine lies, the scores could be real. But then when you realized the magazine allowed any setting, fine i mean i guess people could've submitted to the magazine at a harder setting but that seems especially preposterous to me. a score imported from a source that allowed any setting, should be on a track that allows any setting, or easiest setting.

    and yes its very common. lots of odyssey 2 imports for example, i believe alot of jaguar and atari imports were found as well.
    Lode Runner champ, also, Roy was right
  8. 10-27-2021, 07:02 PM
    I came across this from the link provided. It kind of verifies my guess. I reckon he scored 349,040, then told the ref he flipped it.

    http://www.videoparadise-sanjose.com/1984vgmt-rules.htm
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  9. 10-27-2021, 07:57 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by The Evener View Post
    My understanding of the process was that Walter Day was a pseudo-editor working for Guinness on the video games file, and consequently the most Guinness would have ever got in terms of documentation was the typed out results of the "top" scores for each game, along with other metadata that Guinness included BITD such as birth date and city of birth for each name entry.
    I remembered finding this post from 2007 last spring when I was researching Spy Hunter, and remembered this quote...

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthr...f-Kong!/page14
    Post #113

    "Robert,

    To be exact, Phil Britt and Jeff Peters saw the entire 9.5 million
    TG sanctioned Guinness contest Spy Hunter performance on
    June 28, 1985 and went forward with the paperwork that went to
    Guinness..."

    At least according to one participant in the 1985 VGMT, there was paperwork that had to be submitted to Guinness for the 1985 VGMT. That may be a lead for Twin Galaxies to initiate a request.
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  10. 10-30-2021, 10:39 AM
    I found this quote that may applicable to this dispute, with the idea of the credibility of scores and the reliability of the Twin Galaxies/US National Video Game Team's reporting methodology being questioned...

    https://www.classicarcadegaming.com/...vgmt/index.htm

    " As you may know from reading the score listings on the CAGDC Guinness records page, there were a series of Guinness Book of World Records (GBWR) editions that featured contest results from Twin Galaxies, and the APA (Amusement Players Association, run by Steve Harris). Unfortunately, Guinness decided to stop publication of these results after 1987, due mostly to their doubt that the scores could be overseen well enough to guarantee their veracity. While caution is always dictated in these matters, I believe that the loss of this information more than offsets the few results that were false, or inaccurate. "

    I think this quote came from the man who runs that website (Mark Alpiger.) Anyway, this quote if accurate (does anyone know what source he got this from...a possible Walter Day book from 1997 was mentioned later in the link from above), shows that even back in 1987, Guinness was so doubtful of the scores they were reporting that they terminated the relationship to publish scores from the USNVGT (who took over TG's scoreboard and tournament administration.) I think that simple point might be a good starting point for this dispute...is it reasonable to doubt this or other Golden Age scores? Guinness appears to have thought so.
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