Dispute: John McAllister - Arcade - Deluxe Space Invaders - Points - Player: Matt Brass - John P McAllister

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  1. Dispute: John McAllister - Arcade - Deluxe Space Invaders - Points - Player: Matt Brass - John P McAllister

    01-12-2022, 03:47 AM
    Arcade - Deluxe Space Invaders - Points
    Track
    https://www.twingalaxies.com/scores.php?scores=11077
    Rank

    Rules
    Dip Switch Bank:
    1-2 = ON
    3 = OFF/UNUSED
    4 = ON
    5-7 = ON [Upright Model]
    5-7 = OFF [Cocktail Model]
    8 = OFF/UNUSED
    Note: The above Dip Switches, are not only the FACTORY DEFAULT settings, but are also the correct Twin Galaxies Tournament Settings for this title and will provide the following settings;
    3 Laser Bases
    Player Name
    Matt Brass
    Original Adjudication
    N/A
    Verification Method
    Referee
    Verification Date
    1982-09-16
    Disputed Score
    425,230 (Rank 1)
    Disputed By
    redelf
    Dispute Evidence / Rationale
    Disputing this score for many reasons.
    1. This game is hard and was meant to be hard. As you progress through the waves the game leaves out several enemies or holes in the formation. These holes make it so that when using the strategy of letting the wave hit the bottom so they can no longer hit you with the shots as they go right through you. It leaves a gap in the columns and allows them to now shoot you. It also has an enemy that splits making it so that you have to backtrack in order to clear the bottom row so they don't drop down to far. The saucer that comes out will also now drop new enemies down on to the playfield either filling in the space on the left side or right side making the fleet of enemies hit the sides faster and drop down. Sometimes you are on the wrong side of this and you aren't able to get to the other side in time to shoot them before they drop to the bottom and game over. When you have a gap in the enemy formation and you die once you are not going to be able to get to other side and finish shooting the bottom row, now again it's game over.
    2. Score is suspect as it comes from Leo Daniels arcade. Over the years many scores have been removed from that location as the scores were just too far away from the norm to be real. Back in the day it was common practice to lie about scores coming out of your arcade to draw press and player attention to it.
    3. All the looking around and hunting for scores or techniques have come up short. High score sites, MARP, and youtube have also not panned out. The highest score found is for arcade is around 30k and for mame with proof is around 21k.
    4. Time it takes to get this kind of score would be close to 8 hours as it scores very similar to Space Invaders. The record on Space Invaders MAME of 257k took just over 4.5 hours.
    5. I can't beat it as of now :)
    6. Possibly data entry error of entering score from another game.
    7. Some glitch was used that we don't know about.
    8. Just a flat out lie to promote the arcade with another fake world record score to gain press and exposure.

    Would love to hear from you guys on this, any stories to tell or information on these two scores would be great.
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  2. 01-12-2022, 05:48 AM
    I don't have any intel on this, but I imagine Leo's 2nd place score should be disputed by the same logic.

    In his case, though, the score looks specifically like a "maxout" or a voluntary stoppage of play when he reached a certain score. So I think that rules out a data entry error. Unless it was just one too many nines in there idk.
  3. 01-12-2022, 07:37 PM
    I didn't have a chance to do a super deep dive, but a few points I can share:

    Matt's Space Invaders Deluxe game was achieved in Helena according to the TGIS. In a newspaper article, Matt mentioned four world records, I found three of them in the TGIS.

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    Donkey Kong Jr - 951,100 - Stu. Union Mt. St. Uni, Bozeman - 1/20/83
    Super Cobra - 198,470 - Godfather's Pizza, Helena - 7/26/82
    Space Invaders Deluxe - Modern West Bar, Helena - 9/16/82


    https://web.archive.org/web/20130728...om/tg-top5.htm

    Also, did anyone in the community visit Ground Kontrol when Matt was there to do a marathon on Space Invaders Deluxe? I couldn't find any mention of stream or recording, maybe it didn't go ahead?


    Space Invaders Deluxe Marathon with Matt Brass - July 23 2010
    https://groundkontrol.com/space-invaders-7-28/
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  4. 01-13-2022, 04:47 AM
    Thanks for the links and info.

    Maybe from an older version of TG it was either listed or believed to be that he did this score at Leo Daniels arcade.
    I don't do any of the social network platforms and am pretty limited as to how you make contact with people outside.
    Wondering if some of you more social people could try and track down Matt Brass and ask if he could chime in on this.
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  5. 01-14-2022, 02:14 AM
    With the link to the Deluxe marathon at Ground Kontrol provided from the @The Evener I emailed them and asked about the event and if they could get Matt to contact me.
  6. 01-17-2022, 05:54 AM
    This is a video of Space Invaders 2, which is the same as Deluxe Space Invaders except for the following.
    The first 3 waves are complete formations, after that the formations are the same as Deluxe.
    The flashing saucer is worth 500 points instead of 200.
    This version is in color.
    All other characteristics of the game are the same to the best of my knowledge from searched on the net and from actual playing of the game.

    The video shows the 255 roll the shot counter to get the extra man trick. The rest is straight up gameplay and results in almost 10% of the score of the record. So just another 5-7 hours of gameplay left with 90+% fewer mistakes or something like that, I'm no math wizard.

    vzaar-player
  7. 01-23-2022, 05:14 AM
    I've made contact with Matt and hoping to get more details on this score, stay tuned.
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