Dispute: paul kearns - Arcade - Kung Fu Master - Points - Player: Mike Sullivan - Score: 1,349,040

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  1. Dispute: paul kearns - Arcade - Kung Fu Master - Points - Player: Mike Sullivan - Score: 1,349,040

    10-19-2021, 06:10 PM
    Arcade - Kung Fu Master - Points

    Dip Switch Bank #1:
    1-8 = OFF
    Dip Switch Bank #2:
    1-8 = OFF
    2 = OFF/ON [Cocktail/Upright]
    3-4 = OFF/UNUSED
    5 = ON
    6 = OFF/UNUSED
    7-8 = OFF
    Note: The above Dip Switches, are not only the FACTORY DEFAULT settings, but are also the correct Twin Galaxies Tournament Settings for this title and will provide the following settings;
    Difficulty: Normal
    Decrease of Energy: Normal
    Lives: Three
    Player Name
    Mike Sullivan
    Original Adjudication
    Verification Method
    Verification Date
    Disputed Score
    1,349,040 (Rank 1)
    Disputed By
    Dispute Evidence / Rationale
    I have been sleeping on this for over a decade, now.
    I firmly believe this score to be not only false, but, at a stretch, almost impossible.
    I use skill level, skill growth experience, and "time since national release to score submitted" as my formula.
    I do not have all the details to hand, but I looked hard back then, when I came to this conclusion.
    KFM came out in the US in late 1984, and Mr. Sullivan submitted his score on 1985-06-30.
    I had the proper dates before, but can't seek, now. This means he scored an unbeatable score in around 7-8 months. Not taking into account, it was an arcade machine, maybe far from home, and it cost money, and how much time could he actually play in that time, realistically, to become the GOAT, in one of the most amazing world records done in maybe the least time.
    All I have are my suggestions, because it can never be proved, but it is just too unrealistic.
    For a player to become a top player on this game, 600,000 is the threshold. Everybody lucks out here. Even after years. Check any arcade or website top scores apart from Mr. Sullivan's and mine. If you can get close to that limit, you are a supreme player.
    KFM was sold and known for being a "money eater", as I found out, personally. It's HARD.
    I have to liken the learning curve and proposed score here to Donkey Kong, and the trend of submitting fake scores of the time.
    I played this game a hell of a lot. Then I played it again a hell of a lot on MAME as a mature gamer. It took me a real long time to get to 600,000.
    A score was submitted for this game, which is unachievable, just months after national release, the same as when the 3 million DK score was submitted.
    A quick look at Mr. Sullivan's records, is not similar to one who is the most skilful at any game, never mind a very hard one, but that's just conjecture.
    When I got my top score, I thought I found a secret method of beating the 4th floor black wizard with unique joystick inputs, but I just got lucky. THAT, is the "random barrel" DK reference, and 4 come within 2 seconds. Skill and more luck is involved. I can't believe anyone can get that lucky, that quickly, that many times after it took me maybe 5 years to do the same myself, if I add up the 80's and more recent years, with 10,000 hours more experience.
    This score is bogus.
    I'd like to know who refereed it.
    As far as I can think, he got 349,040, and just said he flipped it.
    349,000 is the decent common players average after 6 - 7 months of casual random playing.
    The only thing special about this submission, is the publication.
    I challenge anyone, to take the challenge. If you have MAME at home, try and beat this score in four months. The same time it would take to visit an arcade and queue up to play in the 80's for 8 months.
    MAME players today are better than the arcade players of the 80's. (Mostly !)
    I can't add attachments.

    This score, in this time frame, using the worst possible verification method, I.e., TG referee's of the 80's, is BOGUS.
    I've been wanting to say this for years.
    No one can compete, even with 30 years practice.
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  2. 10-19-2021, 07:08 PM
    Given how high the difference in points is, I have to agree that this score is very questionable.
    Lauren Tyler
    Eternal Champion of Ragol
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  3. 10-19-2021, 09:24 PM
    Attached is a save state from your inp starting at 963k and at beginning of 4th floor. Please unzip it and place into STA folder in your wolfmame106 dir. Please try to get the score over 1m to see if it maxes or rolls to eliminate the score being possible or not.
    Once placed in the proper folder start up mame and load the roms. Press the F7 key and then press 2 to start at that point.
    I'd do it but my arm is a little faulty right now.
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  4. 10-19-2021, 09:27 PM
    Here it is.
    Attached Files Attached Files
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  5. 10-19-2021, 09:30 PM
    What black magic is this?
    I have already seen it roll over, but it was a hack and the Japanese guy got 1 million on his first life, but it was level 1 all the way. Not sure if that messes with the true roll over state.
    Nevertheless, at that time, impossible. Same as the Apollo missions. We could do it then, but not now, because we are dummer.
    He scored 1.3 million casually, but after getting his own machine, never played again. Sure.
  6. 10-19-2021, 09:34 PM
    You need to compare it to the learning curve of a very hard game. 2 years minimum, casually.
  7. 10-19-2021, 09:45 PM
    Redelf, you're maybe the greatest arcade gamer. Take the 4 month challenge.
    Remember, you have to play blind. No research, no watching video's.
    Show me.
  8. 10-19-2021, 10:01 PM
    Here's the MARP top 3 on all clones. Ignore the Jackie Chan and scroll down. MARP players are commonly best on MAME and you can see a pattern of top scores, as I described above.
    Continuing after 650,000 is unknown territory for the entire world other than two, or three, if you believe Mr Sullivan, who played after school, only, if I remember my childhood.

    As you can see, my highest on two clones is only 600,000. That's the point of death or good luck.

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  9. 10-19-2021, 10:02 PM
    To double that threshold is the stuff of old TG madness.
  10. 10-20-2021, 02:28 AM
    Looks like it was done during the 1985 Video Game Masters tournament (according to CAGDC)
    It's also listed as the threshold score in the 1986 manual. @The Evener do you have a copy of the 1985 manual?
    Paul, what do you think of the DIP switch settings in the 1986 manual?

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