Dispute: Sean Dwyer - Arcade - Super Bikes 2 - Most Bike Air Time Florida - Player: Juan Torres - Score: 18.1

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  1. Dispute: Sean Dwyer - Arcade - Super Bikes 2 - Most Bike Air Time Florida - Player: Juan Torres - Score: 18.1

    01-14-2022, 01:31 PM
    Arcade - Super Bikes 2 - Most Bike Air Time Florida
    Track
    https://www.twingalaxies.com/scores.php?scores=238755
    Rank

    Rules
    1. 1 player only & any car, modifications, transmissions, difficulty, 4 turbo boost 1 at the start, 3 in reserve are allowed. Normal short cuts are ok.2. Start Time can be 80 seconds or less & Check Point Bonus Time can be 30 seconds or less.(They can be verified & seen at the start & during the race. These 2 game settings are the only ones you can see in the race.)3. The player must show enough of the arcade game cabinet to confirm that the correct peripherals like a steering wheel, pedal, and gear stick are being used. Game settings are not required to be seen.4. Glitches, car simulators, use of PC home version, emulators, wall-riding, cheat codes, clipping of the track, illegal short-cuts, or hacking of the original game programming is prohibited.5. Conversion kits are allowed but must be in an arcade game cabinet.
    Player Name
    Juan Torres
    Original Adjudication
    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php?t=234002
    Verification Method
    TGSAP
    Verification Date
    2021-07-18
    Disputed Score
    18.1 (Rank 1)
    Disputed By
    sdwyer138
    Dispute Evidence / Rationale
    The rules state that the player may select "any car". The player selects a motorcycle, not a car.

    The rules state that the cabinet should have a "steering wheel, pedal, and gear stick". This cabinet does not have any of those components.
  2. 01-16-2022, 01:55 PM
    I'd take a better look at the 'rules'. As this game certainly does have the correct peripherals. This is a motorbike game, and the cabinet looks exactly like what is in the dave and busters I visited about a month ago.

    Semantics aside, this seems like a very easy dispute to deny. Just like the rest of the disputes for this game that have cropped up.
  3. 01-16-2022, 02:27 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by freeko View Post
    I'd take a better look at the 'rules'. As this game certainly does have the correct peripherals. This is a motorbike game, and the cabinet looks exactly like what is in the dave and busters I visited about a month ago.

    Semantics aside, this seems like a very easy dispute to deny. Just like the rest of the disputes for this game that have cropped up.
    Semantics can't be put aside though in this case. There is a very long and well documented history on this site of Juan stating that what he has written as rules he wants followed exactly as it is written with no room for interpretation. The rules call for peripherals that do not exist, so according to Juan's clearly stated intentions, this rule is literal and the run should not remain on the boards.

    If he actually made a mistake in the rule creation as he now claims then he could have stopped his submissions and asked admin to adjust the rules before submitting (since the problem was pointed out earlier in the process). He chose not to do that. As a result this and all of his Super Bike runs should be removed. There is currently work being done to set the tracks up with proper rulesets and all of these subs could be submitted under those tracks without ambiguity.
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  4. 01-16-2022, 02:49 PM
    the creator of this track, created a duplicate that fixes the semantics. It makes no sense to have 2 tracks which are identical except for those semantics. Once he created the new track and submitted scores to it as a replacement for this track, it makes the track itself disputable.

    i would've prefered all these disputes be linked and handle it as disputing the track itself but sean prefers handle it this way, which is fine too
    Lode Runner champ, also, Roy was right
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  5. 03-29-2022, 12:46 PM
    Twin Galaxies members let's get these arcade Super Bikes 2 disputes out of the que
    thank you


    Voting yes on a minor mistake in the Super Bikes 2 rules
    Note the play and record of Juan Torres JJT is legit


    Dispute Evidence / Rationale
    The rules state that the player may select "any car". The player selects a motorcycle, not a car.


    The rules state that the cabinet should have a "steering wheel, pedal, and gear stick". This cabinet does not have any of those components.
    The arcade Super Bikes 2 rules have been changed,
    New Super Bikes 2 RULES×
    TRACK RULES
    Settings


    - Solo (1 player only)
    - Start time must be 80 seconds and Check point bonus time must be 30 seconds.
    - Other than the specified required times, player may use any settings and vehicles available in the game
    - Maximum of 4 turbo boosts can be used per race.
    Rules
    - Cheat codes are NOT allowed
    - Game settings are not required to be seen.


    Hardware
    - Show arcade game cabinet & controls used.
    - Conversion kits are allowed but it must be in an arcade game cabinet.


    Old Super Bikes 2 Rules

    1. 1 player only & any car, modifications, transmissions, difficulty, 4 turbo boost 1 at the start, 3 in reserve are allowed. Normal short cuts are ok.


    2. Start Time can be 80 seconds or less & Check Point Bonus Time can be 30 seconds or less. (They can be verified & seen at the start & during the race. These 2 game settings are the only ones you can see in the race.)


    3. The player must show enough of the arcade game cabinet to confirm that the correct peripherals like a steering wheel, pedal, and gear stick are being used. Game settings are not required to be seen.


    4. Glitches, car simulators, use of PC home version, emulators, wall-riding, cheat codes, clipping of the track, illegal short-cuts, or hacking of the original game programming is prohibited.


    5. Conversion kits are allowed but must be in an arcade game cabinet.
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  6. 03-29-2022, 12:47 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by JJT_Defender View Post
    Twin Galaxies members let's get these arcade Super Bikes 2 disputes out of the que
    thank you
    They are out of queue. They are inactive.
  7. 03-29-2022, 01:11 PM
    thank you Sean

    Quote Originally Posted by sdwyer138 View Post
    They are out of queue. They are inactive.
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