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08-06-2019 at 11:55 AM
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ug, more permanent ref corruption

so i stubmled on this old thread. we all know and have established corcoran was a huge cheater. problem solved right? scores all removed? wrong. in addition to faking scores, turned out he was one of those refs that just likes to delete scores that beat him. Found evidence of him mentioning removing scores, of course he says it was justified, but knowing what a cheater he was i gotta assume the first. I really hope TG at some point looks to restore the scores that were incorrectly removed. I would reiterate my old offer to research improperly removed scores so that they could be added back if i knew my efforts wouldnt be in vain

https://atariage.com/forums/topic/15676-who-is-todd-rogers/

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  1. datagod's Avatar

    Unpaid volunteers, performing a labor of love. Sounds like a great opportunity to manipulate the database in their own favor. Why else volunteer hundreds of hours for a thankless job?



  2. Snowflake's Avatar

    yes, we know of the manipulation. but we often think of fake scores entered as opposed to real scores removed out of jealousy. i already knew of some jealousy example but apparently the problem was worse than i thought. The new tg is all about "we cant remove things without absolute proof we have to respect the prior tg', yet the prior tg had zero respect for the tg earlier than it. its totally unfair the scores now get to stay but the earlier scores that beat them are removed. remove them all or keep them all. none of this nonsense where guys like corcoran could make things easier for his generation of refs by removing scores that beat them

    heck garett found the same thing in his challenges. they imported scores from magazines, but then removed any scores from those magainzes that beat refs. eitehr import all the scores from the magazine, or none. totally unfair to only import scores that dont beat refs.
    readd the removed scores from the magazine that beat refs, or remove all the reamining ones.

  3. lexmark's Avatar

    Corcoran says..."At this years CGE he (Todd) was able to (several times) post a 5.56 on Dragster in front of many people"

    Is 5.56 a doable time?


    john

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  4. Snowflake's Avatar

    No it’s not Corcoran is a yuge liar with no redeemable qualities. Not only is it too fast but it’s impossible digits. I believe him that he removed scores but I don’t believe for one second his motives in removal were pure

  5. lexmark's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Snowflake

    No it’s not Corcoran is a yuge liar with no redeemable qualities. Not only is it too fast but it’s impossible digits. I believe him that he removed scores but I don’t believe for one second his motives in removal were pure

    Looks to me that Todd is also a huge deluded liar for not correcting RC's post. I wonder who the "many" peeps were that seen him do this time. Oh that's right, there weren't any!

    Thanks for the entertainment, Todd!


    john


  6. Snowflake's Avatar

    I did find this thread by reviewing some dragster stuff. However that’s dealt with so whet bothers me now is the removal. We’re s o focused on fake scores everyone forgets about the mass removals too

  7. Barthax's Avatar

    The Internet version of TG was born in 1997. Walter enjoyed compiling scores from any written media source - it's what filled the ranks in the early days, from what I understand (conjecture). A clean up job was necessary. (Then more imports from other sources would occur, another clean up job was necessary.) One of the most recent (my time, so can confirm) would be the PC pinball scores arrived from The Tower of Pin (pcpinball.com - can still see archives of it on archive.org: http://web.archive.org/web/*/pcpinball.com ). There are some scores which still need cleaning up from that import.

    Under the weight of imports like Nintendo Power (apparently largely obviously false), it's not surprised things that were genuine would have been removed through association.


    Of course, then you add the character assination which Snowflake is so fond of. If he held a mirror & found the slightest mistake by himself would mean everything he's ever said is a lie...

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  8. lexmark's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Barthax

    Of course, then you add the character assination which Snowflake is so fond of. If he held a mirror & found the slightest mistake by himself would mean everything he's ever said is a lie...

    Andrew, to be fair, Snowflake has said some weird crap in his time here, BUT, I have found that all his "character assassination" posts have been pretty spot on! :)


    john


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  9. Barthax's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by lexmark


    Andrew, to be fair, Snowflake has said some weird crap in his time here, BUT, I have found that all his "character assassination" posts have been pretty spot on! :)


    john


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    Given Ron will never answer here but SnowFlake has identified a comment by Ron that he tried to research threads: SnowFlake in the OP indicates he assumes. So SnowFlake is performing worst than Ron right off the bat. If he can't begin with good intentions, he'll only find the worst.

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  10. lexmark's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Barthax



    Given Ron will never answer here but SnowFlake has identified a comment by Ron that he tried to research threads: SnowFlake in the OP indicates he assumes. So SnowFlake is performing worst than Ron right off the bat. If he can't begin with good intentions, he'll only find the worst.

    Hmmm. You may be right. I'll think about what you said.


    john

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  11. Snowflake's Avatar

    Really barthax? If any criticism at all is character assasination then are you likewise assanitsing my character? Further I never said one mistake makes someone a complete liar that’s a complete misrepresentation. Ron didn’t just make mistakes but outright lies nimberoue times and his lies are well documented. I think there’s a huge difference beteeen your claim id view one error as making someone untrustworthy and my actual claim that many lies makes someone untrustworthy.

    We can’t just criticize all criticism. Some criticism is justified. You seem to think though all criticism is unjustified which is an inherently self contradicting view point

    Ron didn’t sayvhe removed scores proven false just scores with lack of evidence where the score holder couldn’t be contacted. As much as I personally would do the same we know the same was not performed consistently.

  12. Snowflake's Avatar

    I tell you wfat though. Outrage over tone choice aside back to the main point if I found scores that don’t meet the evidence of today but did meet the evidence of the time do you think they should be added back? Scores that did in fact have evidence but were removed anyway? Fir someone so concerned about others feelingsas well as a mass submitter I would’ve expected your supported in getting people’s hstd earned scores returned to them

  13. Barthax's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Snowflake

    I tell you wfat though. Outrage over tone choice aside back to the main point if I found scores that don’t meet the evidence of today but did meet the evidence of the time do you think they should be added back? Scores that did in fact have evidence but were removed anyway? Fir someone so concerned about others feelingsas well as a mass submitter I would’ve expected your supported in getting people’s hstd earned scores returned to them

    Plenty of my scores aren't on the database which I can point to other websites to suggest "proof". I know you're making the distinction that scores you may find will have been in the TG database once upon a time but they were disputed under the dispute system of the time (regardless of the who/when/how/why/what of the system). If you do find some, I doubt much would happen as the times have moved on. It'll be a curiosity of the history, I don't see them getting reinstated.

  14. Barthax's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Snowflake

    Really barthax? If any criticism at all is character assasination then are you likewise assanitsing my character?

    Yes but I forgot to twist it in a knot and make factual references laden with bile.

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  15. Snowflake's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Barthax


    Yes but I forgot to twist it in a knot and make factual references laden with bile.


    thats a shame, cause i dont mind the bile as long as its factual. a false criticism of me (or others) regardless of how insulting or mild, i take huge issue with. a true criticism, too bad if it hurts.

    i distinguish validity based on truth -- and no i'm not syaing i'm always wright. i'm saying thats what i think should be criticized. if i'm wrong in my criticism then i deserve any crticism of my criticism you give me. if however you know its fact based and you just dont like my tone, eh, theres times i'm wiling to reconsider tone but the criticism stands.

    I have to ask though, with you caring about tone more than i do - and thats fine, do you really think facts have no place? i wasnt too suprised to see insults upset you, but i am suprised to see you refering to "factual references" as if facts are bad thing

  16. Snowflake's Avatar

    oh and i share your speculation nothing will be done, which is a big part of why i made this post. its a big of effort to re dig up things i remember seeing in the past. i wont be going through that effort unless something will be done with it. so while i agree with you, hey, it was worth a shot asking right? (rhetorical question, you've made clear you dont think it was worth asking, i'm just explaining why i thought it was)

  17. datagod's Avatar

    I feel so bad for Ron The Rapist getting his character assassinated. I am sure being talked poorly about in a video game forum post will only add to his misfortune of being known as a serial pedophile rapist.

    Seriously.


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  18. Barthax's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Snowflake

    I have to ask though, with you caring about tone more than i do - and thats fine, do you really think facts have no place? i wasnt too suprised to see insults upset you, but i am suprised to see you refering to "factual references" as if facts are bad thing


    LOL, talk of facts and speculate my emotional state as though fact to appear to have the moral superiority. Marvelously twisted.

  19. Snowflake's Avatar

    ug, once an argument reaches the point where any futher argument is just deflected with insults the argument becomes pointless. the "Moral superiority" also suprises me since you're taking the moral hypocritical angle so quite hypocritical here man. and i thought i phrased it in a way to discuss it. i said i'm surprised as an indicator thats not how i think of you in general but just how that post came off so i was hoping i misread and was looking for you to possibly clarify

    for whats its worth, i still repsect you (just not your words here). i cant help but to think that you sincerely have an issue with my tone, but you're chosing to not deal with it as directly as you could -- and yes i'm assuming since i cant read minds. always open for more elaboration, and since my assumption is that this is just a heat of the argument thing, its all good, as far as i'm concerned the anger stays here and i dont view you any differently overall as a person

    now by all means, find a way to view my attempt to try to talk through this emotion and get to the real issue as something else to criticize, or someting as the partial olive branch it is(not to be confused with a surrender), or ignore it, whatever you like. i'm sure hoping for a positive. cause yes, i'll use the word "suprise" again, i'm really surprised i have to watch my words about ron of all people, but whatever, you're entitled to your feelings.

  20. Barthax's Avatar

    "It's Ron, he's the epitome of evil." Yeah, bored now.

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