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10-04-2019 at 10:05 AM
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Alternate romset, or another cover up

Alternate rom sets DO exist for some games. However, i also know way to often made up mystery alternate rom sets noone except the submitter ever saw are used to explain away impossible scores.

so i'm curious, with 4 people (3 now that todd has been removed) getting a maxout on atari commando, is there any video or proof of this alternate rom set?

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  1. swaggers's Avatar

    Are you saying the people that got 1,000,000 on the nose weren't able to see any more score increases after that? You're sure they didn't just quit at the rollover and call it a max?

  2. Snowflake's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by swaggers

    Are you saying the people that got 1,000,000 on the nose weren't able to see any more score increases after that? You're sure they didn't just quit at the rollover and call it a max?


    I"m gonna say a name. david yancey. he goten IMPOSSIBLE scores before that he falsely believed at the time were maxouts, and they were just removed. here we have a game incorreclty thought to be a maxout, and shocker, he and others get what they think is the maxout

    unlike the impossible scores he had, yes this one is possible. Do you really think though 4 people, who THOUGHT the game maxed, just happened to make it exactly to the rollover and voluntarily all walked away?

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  3. swaggers's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Snowflake

    I'm gonna say a name. David Yancey. he has gotten IMPOSSIBLE scores before that he falsely believed at the time were maxouts, and they were just removed. here we have a game incorrectly thought to be a maxout, and shocker, he and others get what they think is the maxout

    unlike the impossible scores he had, yes this one is possible. Do you really think though 4 people, who THOUGHT the game maxed, just happened to make it exactly to the rollover and voluntarily all walked away?


    Rudy's was done in 2007. Who would of approved that? And someone here has to still talk to Rudy. Ask why he walked away at 1,000,000. If he was the first to legit do it, why did he quit at just a tie?

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  4. Snowflake's Avatar

    rudy wasnt the first, he was the 4th. todd got what was believed to be the maxout at the time, like he always did, and then afterwards 3 people tied his believed maxout.

    i agree rudy makes it odd. if not for rudy i would've immediatley challentged and not made a wall post first. but its hard to imagine refs helping rudy cheat. if anyitng i'd expect them to screw him not help him. so his his score really perplexes me and makes me want to ask others like i'm doing now

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  5. swaggers's Avatar

    No what I meant was from your logic it would look like Rudy's was most likely actually done. So if he was proving or not proving that 1 million was a maxout then why did he stop at that score instead of blowing the other "cheaters" out of 1st.

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    also theres a similiar story i cant share, but the person volunteered to later if i challenge. i have to be vague. but lets just say there was another very simliar story, where the person proved the refs were cheating/guessing a maxout and so they just removed the rollover of the legit person who proved it.
    you know, if a legit score contradicts a fake ref score, the conclusion is the legit score must be the fake one.
    i doubt they'd cap rudy's score and rudy not scream bloody murder. but i also dont think the other idea make sense. this one is a bit of mystery

  7. Snowflake's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by swaggers

    No what I meant was from your logic it would look like Rudy's was most likely actually done. So if he was proving or not proving that 1 million was a maxout then why did he stop at that score instead of blowing the other "cheaters" out of 1st.

    ah you mean 1st place, not first chronologiclaly to do it. we both typed at the same time. sorry for the misinterperation. even still i believe my previous comment coincidentally answers your question.

  8. EVN's Avatar

    So what you're saying is that there is a gamer who got caught cheating, the score was removed but the gamer hasn't had all of their scores removed as is standard for people caught cheating.

    Interesting.


  9. datagod's Avatar

    Rudy has spoken out and said that he stopped at 1 million. I call B.S. on that. There is no way somebody would play that game that long and simply tie other scores. Rudy would definitely keep going to beat them all. The fact that he didn't shows that -- like 2 others -- he believed that 1,000,000 was the maxout. He didnt' do it and stop. He didn't do it at all. The score is fraudulent.

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  10. Riatoju's Avatar

    I strongly believe William Rosa and Dwayne Richard are the same person.

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  11. thegamer1185's Avatar

    What game are you guys talking about??

  12. thegamer1185's Avatar

    Since I've got my fair share of maxouts, I'll throw my input into this. First of all, what kind of max out are you talking about? I've had games where once you reach the max score, any additional points never gets added and the displayed score always remains at the max. Example, 999,999 never becomes anything else, it always displays 999,999. I've also got a max out in another game (Alleyway GB) where the score keeps counting, but the high score on screen never changes from the maximum score it can display. So I say it's a max out unless you add up every single point thereafter which would be damn near impossible and just not worth it. The game says you reached as high it can count, that's a max out IMO. Then of course there is the max out you guys are talking about. Someone gets to a certain score, the score rolls over and it resets to zero and keeps counting. I could see why some people would say you just maxed the game. The score rolled over, you start back at zero. However, I have yet to see anyone in my time on TG that I have viewed ever just stop when this happens and say it's a max out. Everyone keeps playing and just adds the rollover scores together.

    So does the game in question (which is what?) just stop counting at a certain number or does it rollover? To add to that, is it possible to get exactly 1,000,000 points? Sometimes people say they got xxxx as a score but it's simply not possible unless you do something special and usually against the rules. For example, I know the disputed Street Fighter scores proved continues where used because the only way to have the 1's digit have anything other than a 0 display was by using a continue which is against the rules.


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  13. Snowflake's Avatar

    The score Rolls and exactly one million is possible I just don’t but several people all voluntarily stopped there

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  14. thegamer1185's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Snowflake

    The score Rolls and exactly one million is possible I just don’t but several people all voluntarily stopped there

    I found the dispute. I said it in the dispute but i'll say it here as well. Even though the score rolls over but it's been decided the game is being "capped" for whatever reasons, I guess I would stop playing as well since there is no point in continuing except for your pleasure. I don't agree with it, but it makes sense why 3 people would stop there.

  15. Snowflake's Avatar

    where was it decided this game is being capped? where? This is something people are saying a decade after the fact to explain it away.

  16. datagod's Avatar

    We have no evidence that says the score was capped by referees. If that was a rule, it was changed as there are now multiple scores higher than 1,000,000 -- and again no mention anywhere that an artificial cap was removed. The game is Atari 2600 Commando for anyone reading that did not know that.

  17. thegamer1185's Avatar

    I have no idea if the game was "capped" but one has to assume that they just put a cap limit on it because clearly it's not. Maybe they all thought it would be funny to end at 1M so they all achieved exactly 1M. Pre-TGSAP is a mother f'er to prove anything, which is why I just can't see these scores being removed because we find it hard to believe. ****, it took so much research to prove Dragster and DK where fraud, we have nothing to use against these scores...which have since been easily beaten.

  18. Snowflake's Avatar

    well you're half right in that we have to assume. I my guess/assumption/speculation whatever you want to call it is very different from yours.

    i think its very very very strange that multiple people would all have the same score.. if it was a cap, we need proof of that, since other people broke the cap rule. if they all just thought it was funny to tie, sorry, i find that hard to believe, but lets get answer out of them rather than guessing for them.

  19. thegamer1185's Avatar

    Why would they answer? What if they do say "the game was easy, wasn't worth playing further so we all just took 1M even though we could have kept playing." Would that be acceptable? You have to remember the minds of the people you are talking about also. Billy Mitchell made it a point to stop at exactly whatever number it was to best Steve just to be "cute". So yeah, I guess I find it very easy to believe.

    I love that your opinion is very different than mine. No issues there my man. All for it. It's how **** in this world get solved. Different minds finding a solution. If we all thought alike, wouldn't even be a dispute because we would know why it happened...and that's just boring.

  20. Snowflake's Avatar

    well, them commiting to an answer would mean something. because right now we have to systematically consider everything for them. once they commit though, we just have to veriyf that. think of the 2-bit converter for billy. without being told that we could speculate all day on some unknown device causing the issues. the moment they commited to a detailed answer though, we could verify or prove them lying. for them to now change the story to something else, even something else plausbile is too late. so yes, getting a specific answer, at least to me i think would count for a lot.

    fyi to peole reading this, at this point most of us are saying almost the exact same thing here as in the thread. not cut and paste, but pretty close discussion

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