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10-16-2019 at 11:17 PM
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Playing on harder difficult than rule set

So i recall there was a provision in arcade to play on harder settings unless it could be proven that gave some advantage. My question is for intellivision. Since intellivision many times the only difference between hard/easy is fast/slow. The only advantage to playing on hard and submititng to easy is boredom/endurance (would definitley be an advantage for marathon games).

Even more specifically it helps i'm asking about burger time. theres a track for hard and easy. i'm practicing on hard, havent bothered to film yet, but when i do if i get a good hard time i'd like to double submit if the global rules allow playing on harder setting in situations like this.

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  1. lexmark's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogerpoco

    . The games you take on are tough, and you beat some of the best at some of their best games.

    Like that memory mind game where he took photos for advantage, but got caught out. Remember that!


    john


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    :)

  2. Snowflake's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by lexmark


    Like that memory mind game where he took photos for advantage, but got caught out. Remember that!


    john


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    :)

    if by "caught" you mean i said "hey everyone look what i'm doing" and you looked, to draw attention that a game like that should never accept direct feed if those thigns are allowable, only to have people yet again accept direct feed for it shortly after

    oh yeah, and as i showed taking pictures puts you at a disadvantage since that time to snap the photo is too long an i got a better score playing without the camera

    but thx for trying

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    although thx for brining that up. cause my example might have been over the top. what i should've done to make the point is on camera very clearly uses pen and paper. its easy to say noone backed then used a camera (not just due to technology but due to it being a disadvantage in the mode i played0, however one of the ohter modes where a camera wont help (but video would) where you have to remember a 16 character string i think it would be tough to really claim that all, or even most of the people did not use pen and paper

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowflake

    although thx for brining that up. cause my example might have been over the top. what i should've done to make the point is on camera very clearly uses pen and paper. its easy to say noone backed then used a camera (not just due to technology but due to it being a disadvantage in the mode i played0, however one of the ohter modes where a camera wont help (but video would) where you have to remember a 16 character string i think it would be tough to really claim that all, or even most of the people did not use pen and paper


    Carry on, Bill. You got more excuses than Mitchell and his pack of crooked cronies.

    Never mind. You got away with it.



    john

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  5. Snowflake's Avatar

    Hey Lexmark speaking of old guys who magically lost all their skill the moment proof became required .... do you open on ever submitting to tg sap or were you only able to get records during the days of corrupt refs

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  6. Pat Larocque's Avatar

    I would have to agree with Snowflake there Lexmark.....you might be taken a little more seriously if you actually participated in the site and actually submit scores instead of just trolling posts to get a rise out of people!

    I'm fairly new here and I'll admit I don't know much about past drama here at TG (and honestly couldn't care less), but also as a new member I can honestly attest that a huge part of the reason 'new members' aren't sticking around is not because of past TG drama or problems.....it's directly related the unnecessary toxic b.s. that people can't let go from the past.

    Makes it a lot less enjoyable when every 2nd or 3rd post you read is about how 'this or that happened 5, 10 or 15 years ago'! Pretty hard for this site or anyone in general to move forward into the future when some people are still so clearly stuck and fixated in the past!

    Pretty sad when you have to tell a bunch of 'adults' to get out of the sandbox and grow up!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pat Larocque

    I would have to agree with Snowflake there Lexmark.....you might be taken a little more seriously if you actually participated in the site and actually submit scores instead of just trolling posts to get a rise out of people!

    I'm fairly new here and I'll admit I don't know much about past drama here at TG (and honestly couldn't care less), but also as a new member I can honestly attest that a huge part of the reason 'new members' aren't sticking around is not because of past TG drama or problems.....it's directly related the unnecessary toxic b.s. that people can't let go from the past.

    Makes it a lot less enjoyable when every 2nd or 3rd post you read is about how 'this or that happened 5, 10 or 15 years ago'! Pretty hard for this site or anyone in general to move forward into the future when some people are still so clearly stuck and fixated in the past!

    Pretty sad when you have to tell a bunch of 'adults' to get out of the sandbox and grow up!!!



    thank you (not the part backing me, thank you for the criticism that applies to me). I do have to take that into account. My argument/defense of course is we need a clean scoreboard as those past entries affect current competition. but at the same time, we need new members, since whats the point of a "world" record if almost noone in the world comes here? its a balance, and i was too fcoused on side of the scale. you're absolutely right that i need to take into account the other side of the scale as well

    I also often forget how many silent readers there are. i engage in some of these arguments the way i do facebook or a private group. i tend to think of twin galaxies as just about 10 people only, i forget the quiet on lookers. when off topic arguments come up, i really should try to bite my tongue and let the tangent people get the last word so that we can return to the main point

    probably not gonna change, at least not overnight, but you have given me an important reminder to think about

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  9. lexmark's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Snowflake

    Hey Lexmark speaking of old guys who magically lost all their skill the moment proof became required .... do you open on ever submitting to tg sap or were you only able to get records during the days of corrupt refs

    Firstly, Bill. I'm not that old. I'm only 55. That might sound old if you're only 30 but trust me time flies really quickly.

    Secondly......I haven't lost any of my skills. If anything I've got much better.

    Thirdly........yes I will be submitting one day.

    Fourthly......Not all the refs were corrupt.

    Fifthly..........There was no corruption necessary to adjudicate any of my recordings. Clear gameplay footage and the best/most detailed post game verifications of inside of cabinet/hardware of any arcade recording that I've ever seen submitted here to tgsap.

    Sixthly....I most certainly won't be submitting any ZK scores any time soon. Why would I bother. That crappy score I have on the arcade board seems to be standing the test of time nicely!



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    Quote Originally Posted by lexmark

    Fifthly..........There was no corruption necessary to adjudicate any of my recordings. Clear gameplay footage and the best/most detailed post game verifications of inside of cabinet/hardware of any arcade recording that I've ever seen submitted here to tgsap.

    Sixthly....I most certainly won't be submitting any ZK scores any time soon. Why would I bother. That crappy score I have on the arcade board seems to be standing the test of time nicely!

    Hey John. I would look this up myself, but you know how slow the website is these days. Do you play games other than Zookeeper? Which ones will you be submitting?

    I love zookeeper. It is a shame you don't show your gameplay. That game is WAY more fun than Donkey Plop. I think there are enough of us that play it that could get way better with encouragment and competition. You could be the leader of a great new sub-community. I will acknowledge that you give detailed game play instructions, for which I am thankful. I am not questioning your scores, I am just sad you don't capitalize on it for entertainment and community purposes.

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    John is too busy playing this instead of giving you plebs the time of day.




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  12. lexmark's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by datagod



    I love zookeeper. It is a shame you don't show your gameplay. I think there are enough of us that play it that could get way better with encouragment and competition..

    Bill, if my current scores arent enough to encourage some competition then I don't know what to say. If I submit higher scores then NO ONE will ever want to put in the effort to try and topple me. Like I said, it looks like the current crappy scores are good enough for now.


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    Quote Originally Posted by lexmark


    Bill, if my current scores arent enough to encourage some competition then I don't know what to say. If I submit higher scores then NO ONE will ever want to put in the effort to try and topple me. Like I said, it looks like the current crappy scores are good enough for now.


    john

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    you have no current scores. talking about through proof that doesnt exist, now who sounds like mitchel. why dont you do like redelf did and just resubmit the same scores if they're real? i mean, you have all this proof right? the same score wouldnt destroy competition if thats your fear.

    nevermind, you're not redelf, he actually does his scores for real with proof, not just talks about mystery proof thats filed away somewhere noone can see like so many fake scores of old, but real proof.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lexmark

    Bill, if my current scores arent enough to encourage some competition then I don't know what to say. If I submit higher scores then NO ONE will ever want to put in the effort to try and topple me. Like I said, it looks like the current crappy scores are good enough for now.

    john

    I don't think you understand. I am saying that you could foster competition by playing live and challenging people to come beat your old scores. You don't have to keep beating it yourself, just saying that it would be fun to watch you play. People watch Robbie Lakeman play. People watch Billy Mitchell. The donkey Kong community was formed around one game, I am saying lets pick another.

    But if you don't want to, sure I get it.

  15. lexmark's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Snowflake



    now who sounds like mitchel.

    You still do. Because you wouldn't have a hope in hell of successfully arguing any of the points you just made.

    Regarding Redelf..........if you count getting submissions passed on wrong settings and creating tracks after the fact for failed submissions, then yes, I guess he's a hero!


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    Quote Originally Posted by lexmark

    Regarding Redelf..........if you count getting submissions passed on wrong settings and creating tracks after the fact for failed submissions, then yes, I guess he's a hero!

    If this is true, then why don't you start some disputes? Regardless of why they passed, if they actually have the wrong settings then they should be challenged. Or are you just one of those people who believes anyone that disagrees with you is wrong, and throwing inflammatory accusations out there that you won't even stand behind with action just your thing to do?

    I recall you making a lot of noise over a roger rabbit speedrun where you swore everyone else was interpreting the rules incorrectly. Wheres the dispute for that? oh, right...you just like to talk

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackflag82


    If this is true, then why don't you start some disputes? Regardless of why they passed, if they actually have the wrong settings then they should be challenged. Or are you just one of those people who believes anyone that disagrees with you is wrong, and throwing inflammatory accusations out there that you won't even stand behind with action just your thing to do?

    I recall you making a lot of noise over a roger rabbit speedrun where you swore everyone else was interpreting the rules incorrectly. Wheres the dispute for that? oh, right...you just like to talk


    lexie is part right but heavily misleading on this one. both he and i were on the same side (i feel yucky just thinking about it) on two submissions. it really was about the "spirit of the law" mindset versus letter of the law in two submissions that were very simliar

    Redelf -- submitted to donkey kong on wrong setting. the wrong settings gave him a life too soon, i believe 7k instead of 10k. our point of view was settings were wrong, reject. others view was, since he didnt even lose his first life till well after 10k, the setting was irrelevant and so an exception can be made. i dont like the precedent this makes, but since all the donkey kong guys were ok with it, and they did have a point, whatever, i let it go

    RTM -- similar story except he submitted to wrong setting on super galaxians. again, it was argued it didnt matter since the only diference was when the life was earned and that extra life didnt matter being earned early. that one quickly turned into a speech about how lexmark and i never would've cut it as refs since any ref that inssited on following rules would be fired -- i snippily agreed that any good ref would be fired for his integrity and that kicked off its own side argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowflake

    Redelf -- submitted to donkey kong on wrong setting. the wrong settings gave him a life too soon, i believe 7k instead of 10k. our point of view was settings were wrong, reject. others view was, since he didnt even lose his first life till well after 10k, the setting was irrelevant and so an exception can be made. i dont like the precedent this makes, but since all the donkey kong guys were ok with it, and they did have a point, whatever, i let it go

    I guess my point is that if one is going to keep bringing up things as something negative (as opposed to something that happened as you did in your explanation) then they should stand behind it and file a dispute and make a case for the issue. Otherwise, it's just him sitting on a bunch of past decisions he didn't like that he waits to pull out as one-liners in threads like this. Specifically, lexmark is doing exactly what Pat was speaking out against earlier on - continuing to dredge up past "wrongs" for the sake of it.

    It's one thing to talk about things that happened and disagreements that may have existed in the past...it's another to insult the original submitter because one doesn't agree with the community's decision on the submisson..

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  19. lexmark's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Snowflake



    lexie is part right but heavily misleading on this one. both he and i were on the same side (i feel yucky just thinking about it)

    Redelf -- submitted to donkey kong on wrong setting. the wrong settings gave him a life too soon, i believe 7k instead of 10k. our point of view was settings were wrong, reject. others view was, since he didnt even lose his first life till well after 10k, the setting was irrelevant and so an exception can be made. i dont like the precedent this makes, but since all the donkey kong guys were ok with it, and they did have a point, whatever, i let it go


    Firstly, I think it was Crazy Kong we're talking about.

    What happened was that BOTH Redelf and Barra had submissions that passed on the wrong setting (the one you explained) The excuse/reasoning was that it "didn't make a difference"

    As you said, same sort of crap on RTM's Galaxian submission. So....Redelf decides to do a hex edit on RTM's submission and shows that it in fact did not make a difference. So apparently Ha Ha to me. (but that's beside the point of not playing to the rules)

    Anyway, he then full of bravado does a hex edit on his CK submission and finds, now get this, HE finds that it DOES make a difference. But guess what, it apparently still proves nothing (is he fkn serious)

    Anyway, after more protests from me, Barra posts a big sob story to Dave who then pathetically changes the rules to suite Barra and redelfs submissions. Yeah, the same Dave that did back door deals with Tri-hard. When I asked Dave on what grounds he did that for, he came up wit some lame condescending excuse that was so full of sh*t that I couldn't be bothered even replying. The above posts are documented here somewhere.


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    Thats a big deal, i checked it out. Its really bad, when rules are changed theres supposed to a note indicating the change. Dave (i'll take your word it was him) did NOT update the history. changing rules without recording the history of it was exactly what marcade worried would happen if that team started mucking with rule sets. it also appears in one version of crayz kong they changed the level skip trick not allowed, to is allowed

    @Jace Hall can the history be fixed while theres still people who remember the history? Most of the time i've noticed rule changes correctlly have an additional notes section showing the original rules and date of change. lexmark is right though, this time the history was not recorded

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