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10-16-2019 at 11:17 PM
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Playing on harder difficult than rule set

So i recall there was a provision in arcade to play on harder settings unless it could be proven that gave some advantage. My question is for intellivision. Since intellivision many times the only difference between hard/easy is fast/slow. The only advantage to playing on hard and submititng to easy is boredom/endurance (would definitley be an advantage for marathon games).

Even more specifically it helps i'm asking about burger time. theres a track for hard and easy. i'm practicing on hard, havent bothered to film yet, but when i do if i get a good hard time i'd like to double submit if the global rules allow playing on harder setting in situations like this.

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  1. datagod's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by lexmark
    Anyway, he then full of bravado does a hex edit on his CK submission and finds, now get this, HE finds that it DOES make a difference. But guess what, it apparently still proves nothing (is he fkn serious)

    John, do you recall what the difference was?

    It is ridiculous what Dave did with Triforce. I wonder what other back room deals were made with people.

  2. Snowflake's Avatar

    the difference was it used to be 10,000 points for first man, now its switched to user choice. i'm not gonna aruge over if the rule should be changed, that argument already happened and i accept i lost. but there should be a recorded history of the change.

  3. Jace Hall's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by datagod

    It is ridiculous what Dave did with Triforce.

    Please explain exactly what is being referred to with this statement.

  4. Jace Hall's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Snowflake

    Thats a big deal, i checked it out. Its really bad, when rules are changed theres supposed to a note indicating the change. Dave (i'll take your word it was him) did NOT update the history. changing rules without recording the history of it was exactly what marcade worried would happen if that team started mucking with rule sets. it also appears in one version of crayz kong they changed the level skip trick not allowed, to is allowed

    @Jace Hall can the history be fixed while theres still people who remember the history? Most of the time i've noticed rule changes correctlly have an additional notes section showing the original rules and date of change. lexmark is right though, this time the history was not recorded

    Literally have no idea what you are referring to. I would need a complete detailed walk through of the issue to make any determination.

  5. lexmark's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by datagod


    John, do you recall what the difference was?


    Yeah I do. The CK recordings(MAME) de-synced when the hex edit was done. But apparently that didn't matter.

    LMFAO !!!!!!!








    john


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  6. Pearl2hu's Avatar

    christ who knew you guys would cause a whole ***** fight over dip switch settings

  7. lexmark's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackflag82



    I recall you making a lot of noise over a roger rabbit speedrun where you swore everyone else was interpreting the rules incorrectly. Wheres the dispute for that? oh, right...you just like to talk


    Oh yeah. The "Roger Rabbit speedrun".....the thread that YOU proclaimed one of the DUMBEST things I've EVER heard in 12 years of being on many arcade forums. Heres what you said................

    " that's not a title screen, thats just a screen with a title". Are you for fkn real! Challenge pending!

    And I'll do it in my own time. Not when or if you think I should.


    john


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  8. lexmark's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Pat Larocque


    Pretty sad when you have to tell a bunch of 'adults' to get out of the sandbox and grow up!!!



    Let me tell you this......there's a lot of members here that stick to the core reason why this site exists. That is to submit scores. They do it without getting involved in the BS.

    Just submit your scores. If you want to get involved in the BS then expect some of it won't be to your liking!



    john


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  9. Snowflake's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Jace Hall


    Literally have no idea what you are referring to. I would need a complete detailed walk through of the issue to make any determination.


    ok, i'll take it from the beginning


    Dave hired some locals to make rule clarifications. The atari guy for example admitted to never even touching an atari in his entire life (i appreciate his honesty). I suggested tg buy/loan him an atari so he can at least know the changes he's making make sense, dave said there was no need since they could just trust the community. That scared me since whats the point of having officials make rule changes if they just rubber stamp member requests? Fortunately one safe guard was put in place, all changes would have a footnote recording the date of change and original rules.

    now, take crazry kong for example

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/game/crazy-kong-set-1/mame

    notice the addtional info has a history of the rule changes, this is what i'm talking about.

    here's the issue though, here's what the rules ACTUALLY were


    so two things stand out

    1. The history is WRONG, the history correctly shows sectoin-skip used to be prohibited but is now allowed, however the history shows that bonus life was always 7000 or 1000, that is incorrect since in truth historically it was only 10000. This of course concerns me what other mistakes may have been made, but a minimum as you can see this is in error

    2. This wanst just a clarification, it was a change. i think i know why. there was a dispute on a score that use section-skip trick. i thought the plan was to move it to a new track. i believe the player has since passed away so there was real concern over handling it respectfully. i dont know, maybe this was the right solution, and so this inst a complain of mine, it just stands out. my real issue is issue 1 since that is truly incorrect

  10. Ninglendo's Avatar

    While we are on the subject of mishandling disputes nobody is gonna mention this abomination?

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/game/robotron-2084/arcade/marathon-score-stitching-allowed#discussion

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  11. datagod's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Jace Hall


    Literally have no idea what you are referring to. I would need a complete detailed walk through of the issue to make any determination.


    Dave Hawksette and Triforce had provate conversations outside of the dispute. On one of Triforce's videos he was flipping through his browswer tabs ad his gmail account showed clearly that he was emailing Dave, and Dave was responding.

    I am sure this was uploaded to the dispute thread. I'll try to track it down. It may take a while and I am on a very tight schedule here in Subarctica.


    Here you can at least see Trforce's own admission of speaking with Dave privately. Once again it is so convenient that he is able to explain things to Dave in private, who then goes on to make a decision against what every single active member calls obvious leeching.



    As one of the most vocal members to speak out against corruption and collusion, I found it EXTREMELY telling that after a private conversation with Triforce, Dave bans me from the dispute itself.

    It is like the Judge telling the District Attorney to bar one of their detectives from the case after a private discussion with just the Defendant. The optics are terrible.

    The judgement (in favor of Triforce) despite all the evidence and testimony of Triforce's plan to use a banned strategy and THEN to grandfather the track to prevent the record from ever being broken...that is the very defition of corruption and collusion.



  12. Ninglendo's Avatar

    Yeah nobody would of found out about the private email exchange if Triforce didn't stream his email one night while looking for something else unrelated to the dispute. Once people saw there was private email exchanges between him, Walter, and Dave then trust went out the window and people spoke up. It was even worse when the emails were made public (not by Dave but by Jace) and there was a bunch of info that could of been used in the dispute. The whole outcome of the dispute was a joke anyways. It set a bad precedent and I think after that one a lot of people lost faith in the system.

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  13. datagod's Avatar

    Lets not forget that when Triforce says his method was approved by "the prior Twin Galaxies Administration" he is in fact referring to his very own live-in referee Lance. Even though there was a referee dedicated to that platform (not Lance) Triforce had most if not all of his scores approved by his room-mate. Oh yes, he also gave "tips" to referees who adjudicated his scores. Tips. To referees. Seriously.

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  14. Marcade's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by datagod

    Lets not forget that when Triforce says his method was approved by "the prior Twin Galaxies Administration" he is in fact referring to his very own live-in referee Lance. Even though there was a referee dedicated to that platform (not Lance) Triforce had most if not all of his scores approved by his room-mate. Oh yes, he also gave "tips" to referees who adjudicated his scores. Tips. To referees. Seriously.


    In my 10 years plus, being active throughout, I have never seen one particular gamer here get away with so much, than that guy.

    The evidence was laid out IN EXACT DETAIL by several respectable Contra players, one had to "excessive leech" to get the maxout score.

    Not only did he break (his own rules), he had his close referee contact/buddy/roommate "cater to him only" by blatantly changing it just for him and his gameplay!

    And yes, behind the scenes non-transparent private communication between him and admin, during the TGSAP dispute process.

    It proved once again, that NOT ALL GAMERS are treated equally.


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    Updated 10-19-2019 at 09:21 AM by Marcade
  15. Desidious's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Marcade



    In my 10 years plus, being active throughout, I have never seen one particular gamer here get away with so much, than that guy.


    Oh I'm sure there are one or two hanging around here still with just a shady of a past that we haven't completely ousted yet.

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  16. Snowflake's Avatar

    this is what i get for trying to play burgertime on faster settings. next time i'll just "tip" the adjudciators, and maybe even just ask walter if he's ok with it knowing he'll avoid confrontation at all cost and approve anything, then cite the fact walter woulndt condemn me as somehow being proof its ok

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  17. Ninglendo's Avatar

    Bond told Walter another guy was "point scabbing" at a tournament and Walter DQ'd him. I know it goes both ways too as we learned from Triforce. Just ask Walter to agree with your narrative and he will. Here is Greg Bond talking about Zoo Keeper point scabbing from the KoK special features.

    Note: The description Greg gives about a player not advancing the board and Walter's confirmation goes against everything Triforce did with his submission and the later testimony from Walter.

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  18. Snowflake's Avatar

    The other guy should have asked Walter not to dq him. The only consistency I’ve seen is Walter approves every request even contradicting ones so last request wins

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  19. Snowflake's Avatar

    in fact correct me if i'm wrong, but even in the dispute, watler agrees with triforce its not leeching. then datagod emails walter, and walter agrees with datagod it is leeching. then triforce contacts watler again and walter again agrees its not leeching.

    here's what arguments with walter in the middle remind me of

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  20. Blackflag82's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by lexmark

    " that's not a title screen, thats just a screen with a title". Are you for fkn real! Challenge pending!

    And I'll do it in my own time.

    John, multiple screens have a title on them at the start of a game...are they all title screens? Try to stop being so dense. If in 12 years you haven't figured out that "title screen" in speedrunning is commonly accepted as the screen from which a game can be started, then you really shouldn't be chiming in on speedruns. smh

    Do it in your own time, or not at all...it won't make a bit of difference since you're wrong. And if your dispute results in a clarification of rules rather than removal of times, you'll just moan about that at a later date, because that's just what you do.


    Updated 10-19-2019 at 02:26 PM by Blackflag82
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