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12-03-2020 at 07:40 AM
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Can TG truly be "best in the world" without everyone in the world?

I've been thinking of this for a while, and the peer choice awards really brings it to light as i think of who deserves recognition. Twin Galaxies is getting better at no longer just being middle aged white american males. We've now moved onto being males of all ages and races from all english speaking countries. I'm always delighted (though i keep it to myself for obvious reasons) as we start to get more and more people that dont fit that mold.

Im suggesting we add "female gamer of the year" and "english as a foreign language gamer of the year" categories. I'm fully aware how titles like this can be controversial but have benefit. if it gets controversial, drop it, i feel like this needs near 100% approval, otherwise the division wont be worth it. but consider, i'm not asking for seperate tracks, everyone will still compete in the same pool. I'm just suggesting this might be one way to give some encouragement to a more truly worldwide pool of competitors.

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  1. JWillard's Avatar

    I really like the idea of "Female Gamer of the Year". Off of the top of my head I feel like I know who deserves it :-)

    This could help others join this group and compete. You are correct that gaming has traditional been a mail dominated field, but that is rapidly changing.

    The second category could be more challenging as we all post in English. Some that I read are obviously speaking in English as a second language, while others are good enough with the language that it is nearly impossible to tell.

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  2. Snowflake's Avatar

    we say our country of origin. its certainly possible for a native english speaker to live in a country that is predominantly not english speaking, as well as a non native english speaker to live in an english speaking country. I would hope jumping to conclusion about first language based on country isnt too offensive and when an error is made can be corrected quickly enough

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  3. Blackflag82's Avatar

    also, these are generally short lists to begin with, so in the event it's not clear, and email asking as much would likely clear up and question and if the answer is that English is the person's first language, it can just go to one of the others on the list.

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  4. Garrett Holland's Avatar

    I like both of those ideas, tbh.


    Regarding "best in the world when not all of the world is present", I look at that the same way I look at any other professional sport. Can we honestly say that Barry Bonds is the best home run hitter that ever lived (aside from the point that he is probably half-horse by now with all the steroids he's injected within his lifetime) when Oh Sadaharu from Japan hit 100 more home runs than Bonds did in less time? Obvious answer is obvious. I may have said this before, but I don't think anyone believes that TG's motive is to keep track of who is best in the world, rather, who the best in the world at performing under a specific set of circumstances, and who had the wherewithal to submit the achievement to TG. Out of *those* individuals, the "best" can be determined. We just need to find some methods to widen that pool of potential record holders by convincing them to become members.

  5. Snowflake's Avatar

    totally agreed garrett and i may not have expressed it perfect, the semantics are difficult. obviosuly only people who show up to the event can win the trophy. so i dont have a problem with someone claiming to be the world champion even though someone somewhere else might have done better in secret with no proof. it also helps to remember thers no such thing as "world record" but there is "guiness world record" "twin galaxies world record"....However any legit orgnaziation has to at least make an attempt to be accessible. also the larger it is, the more presigious and the more valuable the records are. I dont think we're any longer doing anything especially exclusionary, so nothing here is a criticism. i think the current method is fine, so i'm not trying to fix a problem, i'm not faulting the lack of such categories, i'm just saying i think we can be even better

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  6. Rogerpoco's Avatar

    Darned if I do, darned if I don't, I think...

    Both seem like a singling out of particular people that are eligible to win any of the other categories, and as much as I hate to say it, almost seem "wrong"-Many/most of my regular contact Friends are outside of the USA, people I know through Twin Galaxies, I've always thought of it as "universal", and the Female gamer seems to imply that a Male would have a decided advantage on playing video games over a Female.

    Not really a fair spot for me to be in, I cherish my International relationships, and am mostly a "Girl Dad" since my Son "fully grew up"(sorta), am a borderline Feminist, but that's just how I see it.

  7. Snowflake's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogerpoco

    Darned if I do, darned if I don't, I think...

    Both seem like a singling out of particular people that are eligible to win any of the other categories, and as much as I hate to say it, almost seem "wrong"-Many/most of my regular contact Friends are outside of the USA, people I know through Twin Galaxies, I've always thought of it as "universal", and the Female gamer seems to imply that a Male would have a decided advantage on playing video games over a Female.

    Not really a fair spot for me to be in, I cherish my International relationships, and am mostly a "Girl Dad" since my Son "fully grew up"(sorta), am a borderline Feminist, but that's just how I see it.


    thanks roger, that is why i made the post seperate i realizez it could be offesnive or controversial so i appreciate the first criticism coming from someone who could put the downside into words politley

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  8. Snowflake's Avatar

    my angle would be consider "rookie of the year" . its not an age division. the rookie can be a lifelong game player, so theres zero implication the rookie cant compete in the other categories just fine, rather its just exciting to have near players, and even more exciting when the new player does well. At least for me, thats what this would be about. Its about being happy and excited over TG becoming more relevant. But yeah, you're absolutley right, if it comes off as viewing anyone whos not a male with english as a first langugage as a somehow inferior gamer, then even if that perception is incorrect, its still the perception and perception matter.

    can i ask, rather than scraping the idea, can you come up with any solution that might help make this clear? can this be solved with wording? is it inherently offensive, or is there something that can be done to improve the appearance?

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  9. Rogerpoco's Avatar

    I'm trying, Man, I swear. I personally can't come up with a workaround.

    The concepts of ignoring race as a virtue, and ignoring sexuality as a virtue have been around and promoted since my own cognitive processes began, and I truly believe I am fully vested in that form of thinking. I've always respected and appreciated equality, some of the current PC trends just boggle me, TBH.


    I'm just one voice, tho, Man, I'm not saying it's "bad", and if the community concensus thinks we should have it, that's how it should be really.



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  10. Snowflake's Avatar

    its not a virtue, but i realize it could be perceived that way. if tg even becomes half, or even 30% heck even 20% female i'll say its time to retire the title. same thing with non english speaker. at first i was gonna say not american --= tg started with an american phsycial location so of course it was heavily american. maybe years ago a "non-american player of the year award" would've made sense, but then i realized it no longer makes sesnse since we finally have so many members from other countries, which is why i changed it to "not having english as a first language"

    its more about seeing whats missing and trying to build it up than it is about seeing those things as inherently better or worse.

    also, actually yes, women in particular at least some of the time do have more of a struggle to membership from sexism. i'm not saying women have a tougher time playing video games, but i am saying they can have a tougher time submitting those games to tg. i'm gonna do it cause i need to blunt to explain it. i'm gonna mention rudy. hes not an issue anymore but i know for a fact he gave some woman a tough time, and so yes, them simply being women made it harder for them to submit than us. there needs to be something offset that.

    the offset CANT be special tracks, absoultely not for the reasons you mentioned. it needs to be soemthing more informal and cultural as opposed to rules based.

    now although i'm arguing with you i hope its taken in the spirit of discussion, cause like i said from the beginning if it leads to division then it defeats the point. i'm just trying to bring up the harder points that i left off before. i think ist worth discussing but i'm also willing to back down.

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  11. Rogerpoco's Avatar

    In the time that I have been here, late 2016 to the present, I've kept up with a lot of what goes on here-Rudy was an anomaly, Man, we all know that, and he may have been particularly offensive to Girls in their submission process, but hell, he was pretty equal-opportunity on offending people, I don't think he's a fair example-

    Outside of that, I am struggling for any negativity towards Females on the site in the last handful of years, I just don't think it exists. If anything, I think the "Guy's Club" gets excited when a Gal comes around kicking butt, almost a "reverse *ism*", as we don't get to see it often, but we all have Wives, Sisters, Daughters, etc, and know that they are as competent as we are.


    I actually want to back out of this one, TBH. I just see people that play video games because they love to do so as "people that play video games because they love to do so", nothing really beyond that, those categories almost make what we are doing "political", not my bag.

  12. RaGeNyC's Avatar

    I didn't read everyone's posts. Just throwing this out here quickly, as I have to run.

    We're all GAMERS. Females are just as good as males when it comes to gaming, and language has no effect on one's ability to game. Why divide people more than they already are in this world?

    Both categories are unnecessary.

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  13. MyOwnWorstEnemy's Avatar

    My quick take on it is that the thought is well intended but it might actually promote the opposite of what is intended. While these community nominated awards are subjective, there also based (or should be) on merit. The person who's submission demonstrate the skills that elevate to a nomination shouldn't be marginalized by sex, country of origin, language, etc... For me it gives of the impression that a female or non English speaking gamer doesn't have the chops to compete with English speaking males.

    If the intent is to recognize more players and their achievements, I'd rather we go down the path of creating sub categories that complement are existing categories. For instance Console player of the year can be broken out to generation 1, 2, 3 etc... Any community member is eligible for these awards. Maybe we don't have the number of activity community members to expand in this direction yet but I'd rather see us move down that path than exclusionary categories, even with good intentions.

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  14. RaGeNyC's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnWorstEnemy
    For me it gives of the impression that a female or non English speaking gamer doesn't have the chops to compete with English speaking males.
    Exactly. And, you can see William knows it too. But he posts this nonsense thread anyway.


    OHHHHHH YOU'RE SO CONTROVERSIAL, DUDE!!!!


    Here's your award--- "Most Controversial Gamer of the Year".


    Congrats!


    :p


















    carry onward.

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  15. Snowflake's Avatar

    well yes i was aware it was a possiblity and i stated as much. i saw both sides, and wanted to see if it was possible. its appearing not. I think its a little unfair to attack me as putting up nonsense though when i think i've shown i understand the other side. i didnt argue with rogers last comment or your first. i was prepared to say nothing and accept the outcome. but i do feel a little need to defend myself if hit like this. even still, thank you for your candor

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  16. RaGeNyC's Avatar

    Come on. You knew it would get a rise out of people. I immediately categorize something like that as nonsense. Do you prefer silly? Take your pick. Not much of "attack" words, really.


    I usually avoid your threads like this, but sometimes you have to step up.


    But whatever dude---More times than not, you don't post nonsense. Annnnnd....


    YOU GOT A FRIGGIN' AWARD!!! lol

  17. Barthax's Avatar

    If such categories were to be celebrated then do so in conjunction with a major celebration like International Women's Day. Any other side-by-side is a segregation process.

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  18. Desidious's Avatar

    So if someone is gender fluid they have a chance for both male and female titles? Just asking because semantics.

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  19. Barthax's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Desidious

    So if someone is gender fluid they have a chance for both male and female titles? Just asking because semantics.

    Oh boy, I struggle to keep up. Is that a catch-all term or a specific description?

    Seems like there's a new bi-monthly alphabet people group conundrum period quarterly. "Trans" alone has me stumped as to which trans people are talking about when the term is used (-gender or -sexuality?). I sometimes want to say "You're not helping your own cause when you only use the generic prefix which happens to include transcontinental..." Surely sweet nothings across continents is the mile-high club? Is there a coastal version of the mile-high club?

    At least there's an acceptable short form for I can show my ignorance with: LGBT+ instead of having to remember "LGBBNTTQQA and the forgotten alphabet people". I'd like to say "each to their own preference" but I know some of those "forgotten" (never uttered, not actually forgotten) alphabet people are illegal in most countries and one of which has been banned from TG already.

    I am confused (but not in that way).

  20. JWillard's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Barthax

    I am confused (but not in that way).

    That's why I stick to video games. No matter what is going on in the world, I understand Mario. It's simple(ish), and it doesn't change.

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