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07-04-2021 at 11:26 AM
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Would the other modes of pick axe pete be worth tracking?

So the only difference between the modes of pick axe pete is which floor pieces you start with. As the game progresses, that means two different beginning can transpose into each other so realistically, once people start making it furher into the game, its not much difference. level 9 does start especially different so it would take a lot longer for it not to matter, but still

however, since the opening level is quite different, i think of @RaGeNyC 's one cavern only track. for one cavern only, well, the set up of that one/first cavern does make a difference. I dont think its worth tracking every mode in normal play, but it might be worth tracking every mode for a single cavern only challenge

thoughts?

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  1. Rogerpoco's Avatar

    If you want to.

    Somehow(and Terr knows this too, and I know he likes the game!), I just don't really care for the game at all, it just didn't take for me, different strokes and folks, but if you think it's anything anyone would ever want to compete on(the main thing here, right?), then do it!

    I have heard, more than once, that the O2 is kinda having a comeback, they are pretty available for an uncommonish system.

  2. Snowflake's Avatar

    neat. i only learend of O2 about 10 years ago, which when you consider that means it was 30 years old at the time, yeah i'm out of the loop. so unlike atari which i grew up, i probably see O2 the same way a new batch of young people see it. some old system thats neat to learn about. i always felt tubrografx16 and O2 were the most underrated. Now, tg16 was amazing and underrated, so i'm not suprirsed people finally caught on. O2 was bad, but still underrated as even worse lol. Its fun to mess around with briefly though for sure.


    pick axe pete is one of htose games where it gets better getting deeper. in some ways the harder caverns are easier, the wholes double up in weird ways that change the game play, and other times its not easier or harder just different. The biggest problem, is how the ladders can screw you and make some positions truly imposbily, since you cant jump trhough are slide through a ladder but sometimes you need ot jump or slide to avoid the boulders. if it wasnt for the ladders making some positions not just hard but truly impossible the game would be pretty good. sadly, i feel i'm already at the skill level where the things seperating me and the other players is luck. if i play long enough i'll eventulaly get a lucky enough setup where my skill will allow the score


    thats what else is nice about the single cavern. it at least removes the luck aspect of different flooring missing for different people

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  3. Rogerpoco's Avatar

    Yeah, someone who does A/V mods recently told me to snag up any O2's I find(I'm STILL planning on getting a third, if I can ever get over to Knoxville...).

    TG-16...

    Mixed feelings there, on my part.

    SUPER blessed to have gotten one essentially free from a buddy, got the flashcart for my B-day.

    It LOOKS great, for the era. Plays great as well.

    So far, I just really don't care for the games.

    Back in the day, I tended more towards RPG stuff than platformers and shooters, but it seems that most TG-16 games are those type games-all completion, no timed stuff, no real scored stuff(scores on completion games are based on...completion, really, haha!).


    One thing that really stands out to me, and I've mentioned it several times, private/public, not sure if you have caught it-almost to a fault(there are exceptions), O2 games tend to be "one life"-you get one go, to see how far you can go.

    That's an interesting dynamic, I think, makes not dying at all a serious priority, is tense!!!

  4. Snowflake's Avatar

    Ys for the turbo cd, neutopia for card. neutopia 2 exists but its hella expensive, but then again for a flashcart guy like you thats no object

  5. Snowflake's Avatar

    oh, blazing lasers is a good tg-16 shooter. i saw it in a grocery store on vacation once and was thrilled when i got back home to learn i could play it on my tg-16

    as for O2, yeah i had never noticed that pattern that the default game was one life only. sure if you ask me about any one game in particular i knew you only had one life, i just never really thought about it all otgether as a pattern

    i suspect those default type gamee have the system itself manage do a bit to manage the score as opposed to the software. because i noticed any game that i could find with video of people looping the score, well the score wasnt displayed in the standard format. even without video, i cant find any claims of looping the score on a score with the standard read out. krazy chase lists all 4 9s. if the default scoring method maxed out at 4 9s, then it owuld make sense they'd have to limit you to 1 life or run the risk of a bunch of maxout titles where everyone is just tied

  6. Barthax's Avatar

    If it's tracked, submissions will follow... :P

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    also worth asking (and i think i know barthax answer), worth merging emu pal and ntsc? for a well played system i'd take alot of issues with this. however, when not much competiation exists its a trade off and may be worth it.

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  8. Barthax's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Snowflake

    also worth asking (and i think i know barthax answer), worth merging emu pal and ntsc? for a well played system i'd take alot of issues with this. however, when not much competiation exists its a trade off and may be worth it.


    No point merging emulation when we have @Luigi Ruffolo . :D


    I honestly don't know if there's a difference between PAL/NTSC on Odyssey. There are widely different game names, however!

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    i'm not sure if you're making a joke about luigi or serioius, if serious please elaborate. one person, no matter how prolfiic is still just one score per track. if a single emu submission is enough reason to split it off, then it should never be merged to begin with. i dont know where i'd draw the magic line, but if for exapmle theres just ntsc submitter, one emu, and one pal, it would seem to make sense to merge

    as for titles, i dont think thats a valid reason to split. think atari, sears would often release the exact same rom, ntsc even, and just differnet lable and name. target fun/air-sea battle outerspace/starship are just two examples where the same game, has different names and so is merged. granted both versions are ntsc truly identical but the point is a mere name difference is no reason for a split.

  10. Barthax's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Snowflake

    i'm not sure if you're making a joke about luigi or serioius, if serious please elaborate. one person, no matter how prolfiic is still just one score per track. if a single emu submission is enough reason to split it off, then it should never be merged to begin with. i dont know where i'd draw the magic line, but if for exapmle theres just ntsc submitter, one emu, and one pal, it would seem to make sense to merge

    as for titles, i dont think thats a valid reason to split. think atari, sears would often release the exact same rom, ntsc even, and just differnet lable and name. target fun/air-sea battle outerspace/starship are just two examples where the same game, has different names and so is merged. granted both versions are ntsc truly identical but the point is a mere name difference is no reason for a split.

    The technical reason for the split is what should be considered: gamers on emulators have a much wider range of options for inputs...

    As for "one person": that's all it takes to make a track so anyone can create an esoteric track that they expect only themselves would participate in such as holding a pooch with a particular background. :P

    The titles are simply a knowledge factor: picking up the Videopac & looking at the available titles vs. the scoreboard: it at first appears there's almost nothing on the scoreboard for the PAL gamer.

  11. Snowflake's Avatar

    Ok ntsc then and I can make a pal or emu derivative on request

  12. Rogerpoco's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Snowflake

    oh, blazing lasers is a good tg-16 shooter. i saw it in a grocery store on vacation once and was thrilled when i got back home to learn i could play it on my tg-16

    as for O2, yeah i had never noticed that pattern that the default game was one life only. sure if you ask me about any one game in particular i knew you only had one life, i just never really thought about it all otgether as a pattern

    i suspect those default type gamee have the system itself manage do a bit to manage the score as opposed to the software. because i noticed any game that i could find with video of people looping the score, well the score wasnt displayed in the standard format. even without video, i cant find any claims of looping the score on a score with the standard read out. krazy chase lists all 4 9s. if the default scoring method maxed out at 4 9s, then it owuld make sense they'd have to limit you to 1 life or run the risk of a bunch of maxout titles where everyone is just tied


    The Krazy Chase is interesting to me as well-in my head, there has to be some pattern to get it done, but unless the game just stops, or if the refs decided to top out the score there it seems a bit unusual, as other O2 games DO go over 9999-lol, I've done it, on video-Nightmare(for real), and Pinball(a glitch)-both just rolled over and kept going.


    No-I DO have Y's coming, but my CD player doesn't work(tbh I haven't tried too hard to get it working).

    There IS a flashcart for the TG-16 that will play CD games.

    It's almost 300$

    !!!

    :P

    Mine was a hundred-not that I wouldn't have considered the CD version, but my assumption is that it wouldn't be accepted here for scores anyway, which is why I play.

    :)


  13. RTM's Avatar

    The other pre-programmed starting pattern variations each have their own initial nuances to deal with, and some patterns are harder than others. The key to each is to determine the best initial "working areas" and "danger areas" at inception and learning which initial missing sections cause more grief than others.

    My very last O2 tape sent in was unfortunately the one returned by the police. It contained my inaugural scores for all remaining "Pete" variations plus the two difficulty settings on the driving game "Speedway" or "Spinout", whatever it is called. Brien said that one single tape of mine was recovered from Corcoran's cache, just not which, but it just so happens that this was what I last sent to him.

    I managed 1K+ on all "Pete" variations, about 1000-1400 on half of them and 1400-1700+ on the rest.

    Suggest you try each. Much like the "KC" variations each requires learning each layout and developing starting tactics for each.

  14. Snowflake's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogerpoco



    The Krazy Chase is interesting to me as well-in my head, there has to be some pattern to get it done, but unless the game just stops, or if the refs decided to top out the score there it seems a bit unusual, as other O2 games DO go over 9999-lol, I've done it, on video-Nightmare(for real), and Pinball(a glitch)-both just rolled over and kept going.


    No-I DO have Y's coming, but my CD player doesn't work(tbh I haven't tried too hard to get it working).

    There IS a flashcart for the TG-16 that will play CD games.

    It's almost 300$

    !!!

    :P

    Mine was a hundred-not that I wouldn't have considered the CD version, but my assumption is that it wouldn't be accepted here for scores anyway, which is why I play.

    :)


    yes other games loop as i pointed out, but those game that loop dont have the standard scoring format. i couldnt find your pinball score, but your nightmare score is interesting because that does use the standard bottom scoring format. Although it didnt quite roll normally, brinigng you down to 9000 instead of down to 0000. very strange, i wonder why. if they had to manually go out of there way to prevent a maxout i cant imagine resetting to 0000 being any harder than resetting to 9000. i'm also curious now if we'll find the other games do the same thing.

    looks like all gotta start playing crazy chase.

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