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02-23-2020 at 06:26 PM
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VOTE NO ON MY BATTLE ENGINE AQUILA SUBMISSIONS

This really sucks. Just really sucks. Waste of about 2 weeks of my life but at least things will be accurate. @rotunda has had concerns with modded consoles playing cross regions. He noticed it on my submission and I have been defending my submissions with evidence. I am 100% confident that my XBox plays both PAL and NTSC accurately and thanks to @rotunda for questioning them so I would actually do a lot of testing to help back this up...now to the fun and eggs on my face section.

I would like everyone to VOTE NO on my Battle Engine Aquila submissions. It appears the Battle Engine Aquila game I have is for the NTSC version (to be fair, the file said it was the European version)...how did I discover this you ask?Well, firstly it turns out the European version of the game I was comparing it too from SRC was for the PC. Didn't think anything of it, figured the game would still play at the same speed because after all, one minute of real time is one minute of time. The player is from Germany, figured if my times match his, it's all good. Didn't even compare my times to the other guys speed run because his run was quite a bit slower...didn't even pay attention to it being done on the Xbox. Fun fact: Did you guys know that PC plays at NTSC speed??? I sure as **** didn't. Yep, learned that doing research on PAL to NTSC ratios. Thank you article that told me that which made me check it out.

Secondly, as I was rewatching the guys video over and over comparing things, I noticed his title screen had a Union Jack flag above the New Game option. I never paid attention the first time because I just skipped to 4.12 level I was comparing my time too. Didn't look right to me so I fired mine up and guess what? No Union Jack flag. My bad guys. I can confirm and will do a video for prove that my Xbox plays exactly as Don Atreides submissions, and a SRC Xbox PAL submissions. I honestly never compared my times to Don's because my times are that much faster so I really couldn't make any comparisons. Yes, I know NTSC plays the game faster, but my times are strategy/skill wise that much faster. Was going to use the opening sequence but everybody skips them, so I will make a video comparing the dialogue boxes from the very first mission. The times will all be right around 17.5 seconds give or take. This proves that my Xbox does play exactly as it should and that I'm actually using the PAL version of the game ( so fucking dumb on my part...I swear I thought it was the right version.)

Other good news, none of my submissions have been accepted so no one will have any CR hit. Here are the links to my submissions, VOTE NO TO THEM ALL. Honestly had no idea I was using the wrong version of the game. Guess I'll be redoing these. My bad. Sorry.

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/212442-Xbox-Battle-Engine-Aquila-PAL-Episode-1-00-Training-Level-Fastest-S-Grade-Victory-03-31-0-Kyle-Nelson

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/212612-Xbox-Battle-Engine-Aquila-PAL-Episode-1-00-Training-Level-Fastest-S-Grade-Victory-03-24-0-Kyle-Nelson

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/212443-Xbox-Battle-Engine-Aquila-PAL-Episode-1-00-Training-Level-Fastest-Victory-03-31-0-Kyle-Nelson

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/212613-Xbox-Battle-Engine-Aquila-PAL-Episode-1-00-Training-Level-Fastest-Victory-03-24-0-Kyle-Nelson

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/212504-Xbox-Battle-Engine-Aquila-PAL-Episode-1-10-Blackout-Fastest-S-Grade-Victory-40-0-Kyle-Nelson

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/212614-Xbox-Battle-Engine-Aquila-PAL-Episode-1-10-Blackout-Fastest-S-Grade-Victory-39-0-Kyle-Nelson

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/212648-Xbox-Battle-Engine-Aquila-PAL-Episode-3-11-Muspell-Counterattack-Fastest-Victory-02-39-0-Kyle-Nelson

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/212547-Xbox-Battle-Engine-Aquila-PAL-Episode-3-00-Liberation-of-Russo-Fastest-Victory-56-0-Kyle-Nelson

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/212702-Xbox-Battle-Engine-Aquila-PAL-Episode-3-00-Liberation-of-Russo-Fastest-Victory-46-0-Kyle-Nelson

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/212529-Xbox-Battle-Engine-Aquila-PAL-Episode-2-31-Counterstrike-Fastest-Victory-04-15-0-Kyle-Nelson

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/212640-Xbox-Battle-Engine-Aquila-PAL-Episode-2-31-Counterstrike-Fastest-Victory-03-50-0-Kyle-Nelson

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/212521-Xbox-Battle-Engine-Aquila-PAL-Episode-2-21-Escort-Duty-Fastest-Victory-02-53-0-Kyle-Nelson

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/212633-Xbox-Battle-Engine-Aquila-PAL-Episode-2-21-Escort-Duty-Fastest-Victory-02-27-0-Kyle-Nelson

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/212519-Xbox-Battle-Engine-Aquila-PAL-Episode-2-11-Assault-On-Apollo-Fastest-Victory-02-31-0-Kyle-Nelson

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/212628-Xbox-Battle-Engine-Aquila-PAL-Episode-2-11-Assault-On-Apollo-Fastest-Victory-02-17-0-Kyle-Nelson

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/212516-Xbox-Battle-Engine-Aquila-PAL-Episode-2-00-Interception-Fastest-Victory-01-12-0-Kyle-Nelson

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/212626-Xbox-Battle-Engine-Aquila-PAL-Episode-2-00-Interception-Fastest-Victory-01-00-0-Kyle-Nelson

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/212505-Xbox-Battle-Engine-Aquila-PAL-Episode-1-10-Blackout-Fastest-Victory-40-0-Kyle-Nelson

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/212615-Xbox-Battle-Engine-Aquila-PAL-Episode-1-10-Blackout-Fastest-Victory-39-0-Kyle-Nelson

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/213899-Xbox-Battle-Engine-Aquila-PAL-Episode-4-21-Naval-Ambush-Fastest-Victory-01-14-0-Kyle-Nelson

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/212763-Xbox-Battle-Engine-Aquila-PAL-Episode-4-00-Beach-Head-Fastest-Victory-02-09-0-Kyle-Nelson

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/212760-Xbox-Battle-Engine-Aquila-PAL-Episode-3-31-Thunderhead!-Fastest-Victory-47-0-Kyle-Nelson

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/212759-Xbox-Battle-Engine-Aquila-PAL-Episode-3-31-Thunderhead!-Fastest-S-Grade-Victory-47-0-Kyle-Nelson

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/212747-Xbox-Battle-Engine-Aquila-PAL-Episode-3-21-The-Wake-Of-The-Venturer-Fastest-Victory-02-54-0-Kyle-Nelson

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/212630-Xbox-Battle-Engine-Aquila-PAL-Episode-2-12-Assault-On-Apollo-(Evo)-Fastest-Victory-02-46-0-Kyle-Nelson

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/212517-Xbox-Battle-Engine-Aquila-PAL-Episode-2-00-Interception-Fastest-S-Grade-Victory-01-12-0-Kyle-Nelson

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/212627-Xbox-Battle-Engine-Aquila-PAL-Episode-2-00-Interception-Fastest-S-Grade-Victory-01-00-0-Kyle-Nelson

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/212520-Xbox-Battle-Engine-Aquila-PAL-Episode-2-21-Escort-Duty-Fastest-S-Grade-Victory-02-53-0-Kyle-Nelson

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/212638-Xbox-Battle-Engine-Aquila-PAL-Episode-2-22-Escort-Duty-(Evo)-Fastest-S-Grade-Victory-03-05-0-Kyle-Nelson

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/212524-Xbox-Battle-Engine-Aquila-PAL-Episode-2-22-Escort-Duty-(Evo)-Fastest-S-Grade-Victory-03-18-0-Kyle-Nelson

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/212523-Xbox-Battle-Engine-Aquila-PAL-Episode-2-22-Escort-Duty-(Evo)-Fastest-S-Grade-Victory-03-18-0-Kyle-Nelson

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/212637-Xbox-Battle-Engine-Aquila-PAL-Episode-2-22-Escort-Duty-(Evo)-Fastest-Victory-03-05-0-Kyle-Nelson

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/212525-Xbox-Battle-Engine-Aquila-PAL-Episode-2-22-Escort-Duty-(Evo)-Fastest-Victory-03-18-0-Kyle-Nelson

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/212644-Xbox-Battle-Engine-Aquila-PAL-Episode-2-32-Counterstrike-(Evo)-Fastest-Victory-04-37-0-Kyle-Nelson

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/212754-Xbox-Battle-Engine-Aquila-PAL-Episode-3-22-The-Wake-Of-The-Venturer-(Evo)-Fastest-S-Grade-Victory-02-51-0-Kyle-Nelson

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/212757-Xbox-Battle-Engine-Aquila-PAL-Episode-3-22-The-Wake-Of-The-Venturer-(Evo)-Fastest-Victory-02-51-0-Kyle-Nelson

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/212762-Xbox-Battle-Engine-Aquila-PAL-Episode-3-32-Thunderhead!-(Evo)-Fastest-S-Grade-Victory-44-0-Kyle-Nelson

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/212761-Xbox-Battle-Engine-Aquila-PAL-Episode-3-32-Thunderhead!-(Evo)-Fastest-Victory-44-0-Kyle-Nelson

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/212765-Xbox-Battle-Engine-Aquila-PAL-Episode-4-11-Weathering-The-Storm-Fastest-S-Grade-Victory-06-19-0-Kyle-Nelson

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/212766-Xbox-Battle-Engine-Aquila-PAL-Episode-4-11-Weathering-The-Storm-Fastest-Victory-06-19-0-Kyle-Nelson

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/212634-Xbox-Battle-Engine-Aquila-PAL-Episode-2-21-Escort-Duty-Fastest-S-Grade-Victory-02-27-0-Kyle-Nelson

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/213898-Xbox-Battle-Engine-Aquila-PAL-Episode-4-12-Weathering-The-Storm-(Evo)-Fastest-Victory-06-18-0-Kyle-Nelson

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/212629-Xbox-Battle-Engine-Aquila-PAL-Episode-2-11-Assault-On-Apollo-Fastest-S-Grade-Victory-02-17-0-Kyle-Nelson

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/212518-Xbox-Battle-Engine-Aquila-PAL-Episode-2-11-Assault-On-Apollo-Fastest-S-Grade-Victory-02-31-0-Kyle-Nelson

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/212631-Xbox-Battle-Engine-Aquila-PAL-Episode-2-12-Assault-On-Apollo-(Evo)-Fastest-S-Grade-Victory-02-46-0-Kyle-Nelson

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/212641-Xbox-Battle-Engine-Aquila-PAL-Episode-2-31-Counterstrike-Fastest-S-Grade-Victory-03-50-0-Kyle-Nelson

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/212530-Xbox-Battle-Engine-Aquila-PAL-Episode-2-31-Counterstrike-Fastest-S-Grade-Victory-04-15-0-Kyle-Nelson

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/212647-Xbox-Battle-Engine-Aquila-PAL-Episode-2-32-Counterstrike-(Evo)-Fastest-S-Grade-Victory-04-37-0-Kyle-Nelson

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/212718-Xbox-Battle-Engine-Aquila-PAL-Episode-3-00-Liberation-of-Russo-Fastest-S-Grade-Victory-46-0-Kyle-Nelson

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/212546-Xbox-Battle-Engine-Aquila-PAL-Episode-3-00-Liberation-of-Russo-Fastest-S-Grade-Victory-56-0-Kyle-Nelson

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/212649-Xbox-Battle-Engine-Aquila-PAL-Episode-3-11-Muspell-Counterattack-Fastest-S-Grade-Victory-02-39-0-Kyle-Nelson

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/212745-Xbox-Battle-Engine-Aquila-PAL-Episode-3-12-Muspell-Counterattack-(Evo)-Fastest-S-Grade-Victory-03-56-0-Kyle-Nelson

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/212746-Xbox-Battle-Engine-Aquila-PAL-Episode-3-12-Muspell-Counterattack-(Evo)-Fastest-Victory-03-56-0-Kyle-Nelson

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/212750-Xbox-Battle-Engine-Aquila-PAL-Episode-3-21-The-Wake-Of-The-Venturer-Fastest-S-Grade-Victory-02-54-0-Kyle-Nelson

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/212764-Xbox-Battle-Engine-Aquila-PAL-Episode-4-00-Beach-Head-Fastest-S-Grade-Victory-02-09-0-Kyle-Nelson

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/213897-Xbox-Battle-Engine-Aquila-PAL-Episode-4-12-Weathering-The-Storm-(Evo)-Fastest-S-Grade-Victory-06-18-0-Kyle-Nelson

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/213907-Xbox-Battle-Engine-Aquila-PAL-Episode-4-21-Naval-Ambush-Fastest-S-Grade-Victory-01-14-0-Kyle-Nelson

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/213914-Xbox-Battle-Engine-Aquila-PAL-Episode-4-22-Naval-Ambush-(Evo)-Fastest-S-Grade-Victory-01-24-0-Kyle-Nelson

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/213915-Xbox-Battle-Engine-Aquila-PAL-Episode-4-22-Naval-Ambush-(Evo)-Fastest-Victory-01-24-0-Kyle-Nelson

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  1. JJT_Defender's Avatar

    A couple days needed sorry that happened, the game is great.

  2. thegamer1185's Avatar

    I feel shitty. Sorry. Like I said, at least none been accepted so nobody will take a CR hit.

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  3. starcrytas's Avatar

    Voted NO on every single one.

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  4. thegamer1185's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by starcrytas

    Voted NO on every single one.

    If I'm going to **** up that badly, I might as well make it as easy as possible for you guys.

  5. nurtuo's Avatar

    Fair Play to you Sir.

    Everyone gets things wrong sometimes,

    it is how you deal with it that matters.

    Don't let this put you off other submissions.

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  6. Garrett Holland's Avatar

    Voted no on all. Thanks for the heads up! IMHO, nobody should be whining about you making the error. If anything, they should be thankful for you handing them an opportunity to receive over 50 very easy submission points. ;) I know I am.

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  7. Barthax's Avatar

    Glad you're doing research & calling out your own findings even at your own detriment.


    Quick note: PC doesn't play at "NTSC" speeds. PC plays at whatever PC speed is possible/configurable - anything from 15 FPS to 240+ FPS. Has nothing to do with TV standards. ;)

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  8. nads's Avatar

    Appreciate the Call, hopefully you wont change your mind half through like a recent Sub.

    At least I can pick up some of the Lost cred on these :-)


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  9. rotunda's Avatar

    I hate to say it but this is exactly why I've been against these sort of submissions for so long. Now we have an actual example of this being a problem perhaps people will finally discuss this issue after so many years. How many times has this been overlooked before I wonder..?

    That said, I'm sorry to hear this Kyle that is so much time and effort down the drain. I've been there myself with my first Ridge Racer NTSC submissions and it hurts BUT I'd like to commend you for doing your own research and pointing out the error for the community. Didn't some of these already get accepted? You might need to ask someone to raise some disputes for the accepted scores.

    Hope to see you back on here with PAL software and new records very soon. Buy the game and submit using a proper disk no boot loaders for peace of mind. All the best and good luck.

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  10. Barthax's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by rotunda

    Didn't some of these already get accepted? You might need to ask someone to raise some disputes for the accepted scores.


    Kyle has no ESI on the game yet which suggests they're all still IN PROCESS status: https://www.twingalaxies.com/game/battle-engine-aquila/xbox

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  11. rotunda's Avatar

    Ah ok my mistake, that's good news. Glad it got caught in time and again thanks to Kyle for putting the effort in to ensure his submissions are legit.

    I'd like to point TG members to this thread so we can discuss this issue and find a solution. It's about time it was addressed in my opinion.

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/153459-I-have-some-bad-news-for-mod-chip-users-maybe-everdrive-too

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    Updated 02-24-2020 at 02:16 AM by rotunda
  12. swaggers's Avatar

    This is yet another example of why it should be original hardware with original games. Obviously TheGamer1185 wasn't try to sneak something past. It's these little things that get by that wouldn't even be a issue if it's original hardware. How many submissions have people put in with these types of modifications that should now be checked?

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  13. rotunda's Avatar

    This is yet another example of why it should be original hardware with original games. Obviously TheGamer1185 wasn't try to sneak something past. It's these little things that get by that wouldn't even be a issue if it's original hardware. How many submissions have people put in with these types of modifications that should now be checked?

    Exactly! I've been saying it for years. Original hardware, original software otherwise I don't vote and this is why.

    I would genuinely love to know how many of these sort of things have gone unnoticed and have made their way into the database. It's a big problem in my opinion and I'm rather shocked no one is actually talking about it in the thread i made.

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/153459-I-have-some-bad-news-for-mod-chip-users-maybe-everdrive-too

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  14. Almighty Dreadlock's Avatar

    Anyone who voted 'yes' on these submissions, and didn't come looking for a thread like this (which I've only just done), is currently getting screwed upside down.

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  15. swaggers's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Almighty Dreadlock

    Anyone who voted 'yes' on these submissions, and didn't come looking for a thread like this (which I've only just done), is currently getting screwed upside down.

    Factual.

  16. rotunda's Avatar

    Anyone who voted 'yes' on these submissions, and didn't come looking for a thread like this (which I've only just done), is currently getting screwed upside down.

    True, another reason why this needs to be avoided in future.

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  17. Garrett Holland's Avatar

    Meh ... I don't see any issue with it. I just lost over 1,000 CR for voting yes on a Micro Machines submission where the submitter reported a score, achieved the score in the submitted video, but decided to ask everyone to vote no after-the-fact because there was a better run somewhere within the same video. $hit happens. TG CR ratings don't ruin my day, that's for sure.


    On a side note, our resident blind voter's cred dropped like a hot rock from over 1,500 down to 820. Now *that's* funny.

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  18. thegamer1185's Avatar

    I was just going to make this very same comment about people who have legit runs, post a better score and ask for the lower score to be rejected. I still feel shitty about this whole damn thing. Had nothing to do with my Xbox, this was all me. To be fair, not a single person noticed that it wasn't the proper PAL version of the game. Only reason I noticed is because I was trying to make sure my submissions where playing correctly. Nobody is perfect and we definitely aren't experts on every game, haha. Do the best we can I guess.

    Just glad none had been accepted. @rotunda I completely agree with what you say when it comes to modded consoles, and I'll even throw in FPGA systems. If research is done and things are on the same playing field, I'm all for them. As you mentioned in your thread, your testing found inconsistencies with a modded PS1 and the like. If that specific type of mod doesn't work properly but another mod DOES, I'm all good with someone using the one that works properly. Hell, my New 3DS XL doesn't play Hyrules Warriors the same as @starcrytas older 3DS model. It's the same system, the game was released to be played on both systems. It's crazy.

    I also think backward compatible first party emulation should be allowed though also...so I guess I'm more lenient. If it's made by Sony, and can be played by a Sony product without any modding whatsoever to play it, it should be allowed. Just my take on it.

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  19. rotunda's Avatar

    I was just going to make this very same comment about people who have legit runs, post a better score and ask for the lower score to be rejected.

    Yes this is very wrong and unfair on voters as we can't be expected to keep track of every single submission after our own evaluation of it. I have a number of RR runs in queue currently, most of which are lower scores but I'd never just tell people to say no as it's unfair on those who took the time to vote and it's still a valid score.

    Just glad none had been accepted. @starcrytas older 3DS model. It's the same system, the game was released to be played on both systems. It's crazy.

    That's interesting about the 3DS. On that note it's worth mentioning handhelds are typically unaffected by PAL / NTSC.

    We've started discussions over on the original thread, your input would be great if you have time Kyle.

    https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/153459-I-have-some-bad-news-for-mod-chip-users-maybe-everdrive-too/page2

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