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03-24-2021 at 05:49 PM
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All you techies out there, need some advice

So I have quite a collection of consoles that require the AV cables be hooked up. Is there a device that allows me to connect them all to it so I don't have to keep unplugging/plugging specific consoles when I want to play? I'm sure they exist, but my knowledge of how and what they are is miniscule at best.

My one and only preference is zero input lag. If they all have lag I'll keep unplugging/plugging. Thanks for the help

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  1. Rogerpoco's Avatar

    Yup!

    I have this, my Son picked it up at a garage sale, so I can't exactly help you find one, I can just verify that such exists.

    No evident lag, I wouldn't swear to it tho, and it swaps effortlessly, whatever is powered on is what comes on, when I have several systems hooked up, I only deal with changing out power cords.

    Is a cheap thing, I'm sure.



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  2. thegamer1185's Avatar

    Sweet, well I guess I'll do some looking and research. Any idea what the technical term for that thing is? I don't think I would call it a converter since it's not converting a signal to anything, it's just putting them all into one.

  3. HAN's Avatar

    it's called a composite switch (or "switcher"), looks like you can get them on Amazon

    https://www.amazon.com/Switch-Switcher-Composite-Selector-Consoles/dp/B0154QWCM8/

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  4. thegamer1185's Avatar

    Thanks!! I just bought the 8-1 something or other for $21ish. All ports on that sucker already have occupants. No power supply needed and output is in AV as well so there shouldn't be any lag from what I read. Guess we will see.

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  5. thegamer1185's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by HAN

    it's called a composite switch (or "switcher"), looks like you can get them on Amazon

    https://www.amazon.com/Switch-Switcher-Composite-Selector-Consoles/dp/B0154QWCM8/

    Ha, that one you linked to is the exact one I bought! Nice.

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    Updated 03-24-2021 at 07:26 PM by thegamer1185
  6. Rogerpoco's Avatar

    Literally, the one I have has NO Identifying words on it whatsoever, lol, "company", serial number", "what is this thing?", absolutely nothing!

    Glad you got one!

    I swear, was in the same boat, remembered my Son had brought me this a year or so before, garage sale, couple bucks, he figured I could use it, haha, and yaya!!!

    My problem-getting to the back of my TV is a PITA-I don't really mind "switching", but my TV is so big, I was trying to pop hernias changing out A/V cords.


    NOW-

    If/When you get to PAL-

    It might interfere.

    It does, with my Megadrive, I have to go straight to the TV, but the PAL SNES and NES are fine, no worries.

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  7. thegamer1185's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Rogerpoco

    Literally, the one I have has NO Identifying words on it whatsoever, lol, "company", serial number", "what is this thing?", absolutely nothing!

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  8. Fly's Avatar

    If you have more than 8 like I do, you can piggy pack them like I did. So I have 15 hooked up and I get whichever one I power on.

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  9. JJT_Defender's Avatar

    Here the picture

  10. thegamer1185's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Fly

    If you have more than 8 like I do, you can piggy pack them like I did. So I have 15 hooked up and I get whichever one I power on.

    That's sweet! I'm just guessing you connect one of the outputs from one box into one of the ports of the other box, which then connects to the TV, correct?

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  11. Barthax's Avatar

    I used to have a bunch of these daisy chained - SCART and composite mixed in. I'm down to two SCART switchers (daisy chained - with composite->SCART converters) but up on the HDMI side instead. :P The black SCART switcher also splits so I get SCART and composite output - one to the TV, one to the capture card.


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  12. thegamer1185's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Barthax

    I used to have a bunch of these daisy chained - SCART and composite mixed in. I'm down to two SCART switchers (daisy chained - with composite->SCART converters) but up on the HDMI side instead. :P The black SCART switcher also splits so I get SCART and composite output - one to the TV, one to the capture card.


    I thought about outputting to HDMI but I didn't know if that would add lag to the signal, which I'm trying to avoid so I kept the device output to the composite signal. Do you know of any devices that would output to HDMI with no lag, or is that not even an issue anymore with the current devices available and I can safely get one without worry?

  13. Barthax's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by thegamer1185


    I thought about outputting to HDMI but I didn't know if that would add lag to the signal, which I'm trying to avoid so I kept the device output to the composite signal. Do you know of any devices that would output to HDMI with no lag, or is that not even an issue anymore with the current devices available and I can safely get one without worry?

    There's bound to be some conversation impact but quality devices should be converting with no humanly perceptible lag

  14. Rogerpoco's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Barthax


    There's bound to be some conversation impact but quality devices should be converting with no humanly perceptible lag


    You know-I KNOW you know, Pete, but I think when it comes down to like, the Slalom on NES, or the Formula One BTW on NES(examples Kyle and I both play, particularly), that little bit that isn't "humanly perceptible", really, really can be the difference between say, 31.580, and 31.579, which , in scoring, is a HUGE difference!

    Not particularly being argumentative(Sorry, Mate!!!), just saying, that "little bit" can really matter.

    Pixe recently mentioned changing the display output to "game" settings, something I hadn't done before, I wonder if that compromised some of my SNES times, Mario Kart, etc, and I KNOW that changing the display, "widescreen", etc, which produces "barely perceptible" results, really affects your potential time outcomes. Seems anything other than "normal" slows you down a bit.

    Just a "never know until you try" thing, I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogerpoco



    You know-I KNOW you know, Pete, but I think when it comes down to like, the Slalom on NES, or the Formula One BTW on NES(examples Kyle and I both play, particularly), that little bit that isn't "humanly perceptible", really, really can be the difference between say, 31.580, and 31.579, which , in scoring, is a HUGE difference!

    Not particularly being argumentative(Sorry, Mate!!!), just saying, that "little bit" can really matter.

    Pixe recently mentioned changing the display output to "game" settings, something I hadn't done before, I wonder if that compromised some of my SNES times, Mario Kart, etc, and I KNOW that changing the display, "widescreen", etc, which produces "barely perceptible" results, really affects your potential time outcomes. Seems anything other than "normal" slows you down a bit.

    Just a "never know until you try" thing, I guess.

    At first use of something like that I can understand. However, the human perception should adjust as the tasks on racers are repetitive & control is more an anticipated action rather than reactive action.

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  16. EVN's Avatar

    If you want something a million times better than those cheap switchers, keep an eye out on ebay for Extron gear. Ive got a bunch of Extron presentation and matrix switches and I don't think I paid more than $50 ausd for anything on eBay.

    The two I use are an MPS112 which can do 4 vga/svideo/composite and a Crosspoint matrix 300 series that can do RGB/Component/Composite/S-Video.

    The crosspoint is awesome because you can take one input and feed it to multiple outputs monitors/capture devices.

  17. Barthax's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by EVN

    If you want something a million times better than those cheap switchers, keep an eye out on ebay for Extron gear. Ive got a bunch of Extron presentation and matrix switches and I don't think I paid more than $50 ausd for anything on eBay.

    The two I use are an MPS112 which can do 4 vga/svideo/composite and a Crosspoint matrix 300 series that can do RGB/Component/Composite/S-Video.

    The crosspoint is awesome because you can take one input and feed it to multiple outputs monitors/capture devices.


    Just looked it up: that's quite a bit of kit! https://www.extron.com/product/mps112

    They don't support HDCP decryption to non-HDCP HDMI destination devices with the MPS 601 (haven't researched an alternative): https://www.extron.com/product/mps601?subtype=149#features

    "User-selectable HDCP authorization — Allows individual inputs to appear HDCP compliant or non‑HDCP compliant to the connected source, which is beneficial if the source automatically encrypts all content when connected to an HDCP-compliant device. Protected material is not passed in non-HDCP mode."

    Updated 03-27-2021 at 01:50 AM by Barthax
  18. EVN's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Barthax



    Just looked it up: that's quite a bit of kit! https://www.extron.com/product/mps112

    They don't support HDCP decryption to non-HDCP HDMI destination devices with the MPS 601 (haven't researched an alternative): https://www.extron.com/product/mps601?subtype=149#features

    "User-selectable HDCP authorization — Allows individual inputs to appear HDCP compliant or non‑HDCP compliant to the connected source, which is beneficial if the source automatically encrypts all content when connected to an HDCP-compliant device. Protected material is not passed in non-HDCP mode."


    Yeah man and with everyone clearing out the analogue stuff in their boardrooms and classrooms you can get them for next to nothing if you keep an eye on auction sites.

    I don't really have much stuff that needs HDMI though. I have a HDMI DA2 splitter/amplifier though that I use to split my OSSC between an lcd and a video capture card and its a really good device that cost me less than the noname one I'd have gotten at an electronics department store.

    Updated 03-27-2021 at 01:57 AM by EVN
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