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08-31-2021 at 09:07 AM
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Passwords....

Okay, now that my submissions have been rejected, I suppose I can finally post this for the community to comment before wasting possibly more of my time. As a general rule, Passwords are not allowed unless rules say you can use them. Older games use them to retrieve your previous plays. Should this be allowed and a the rule amended for such a situation? Not to many games from the old days allowed you to unlock certain things and didn't require you to use a password to retrieve them.

These two games are the ones in question. The first game is Top Gear Pocket. https://www.twingalaxies.com/game/top-gear-pocket/game-boy-game-boy-color If you notice, the rules don't say you can use passwords, however the rules state you may use any levelled up car. So it's either someone spends many hours getting the best car just to use it in a single sitting, recording everything showing how you got it because people essentially require a boot up so you can't just get the car and reboot because you would lose the car. OR you unlock the car and use the password you get to retrieve it after the boot up. Before I submitted to these tracks, I asked the community if I could use passwords to retrieve my unlocked vehicles, nobody at the time said no, several said yes. I submitted, and they all got accepted. Everything seemed all good.

The second game uses the exact same scenario as above, I never asked about the passwords because it had already been done in the game above, but all scores were argued about using a password and ultimately rejected. https://www.twingalaxies.com/game/international-rally/game-boy-game-boy-color

Passwords used in this situation, IMO, do not match up with what is written in TG rules which state "cheat codes, cheat devices, in game codes and continues are not allowed". Cheat codes give you something you couldn't normally obtain in the game such as having a late game weapon from the start or invincibility, cheat devices would be using a gameshark, and an in game code would be inputting the Konami code (which gives you an advantage with extra lives). Using a password simply to retrieve unlocked data, again IMO, does not fall under these rules nor does it give any player an advantage over another. That is the purpose of not allowing passwords, to prevent someone from having the advantage. The only reason I had an advantage in these games is because I spent the time to unlock the cars, just like any modern day game does now. If I choose to unlock the best car and use it, that's on me. If I want to use the first car out of the box and use it, that's on me. Simply put, we all can get these cars by playing the game.

I would like the community to give their thoughts on this since I would like to have these games tracks (and others if I find them) to allow for passwords to be used to retrieve your unlocked vehicles/data. Something does need to be decided because I've already got scores using this tactic accepted on one game, because people said do it, but then the other they got rejected. So my scores either need disputed, pissing people off because they lose CR over something nobody really argued, or we allow these types of passwords because no advantage is given to any player.

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  1. Barthax's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Ragequit

    Well that's assuming both people are the same skill level, what if the person using the code just isn't on the same level as the person playing through the entire game? And if you played through the whole game wouldn't you be more experienced and knowledgeable than the person who didn't and used a passcode for a car instead?

    They're apples to oranges. The person playing through is likely to be more intimate with the layout of the courses but the skill set used is with lesser cars & might not adjust to the speed of the faster cars (+ fatigue as @Blackflag82 points out). The person using a passcode is likely to only experience the faster cars and thereby build a skillset dedicated to the task. This is not disimilar to experienced Tetris players that skip the lower tier speeds because they're "too slow"

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  2. thegamer1185's Avatar

    I believe if you and I did everything the same and viewed a password they would be identical at whatever point in the game we were. Without doing a complete playthrough again, I still believe the final password after unlocking everything would match. The password does not save any times, it only unlocks your cars and the few tracks needing unlocked in the final circuit. I did a mini test to see if the password changed based on your performance on the tracks. After completing one race, I went and checked the password and it was identical to my previous password.

    I believe in Metroid for the NES, you could input a password, start the game, die immediately by something and get a completely different password. I assume that is what you were asking?

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    Updated 09-01-2021 at 04:49 PM by thegamer1185
  3. Ragequit's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by thegamer1185

    I believe if you and I did everything the same and viewed a password they would be identical at whatever point in the game we were. Without doing a complete playthrough again, I still believe the final password after unlocking everything would match. The password does not save any times, it only unlocks your cars and the few tracks needing unlocked in the final circuit. I did a mini test to see if the password changed based on your performance on the tracks. After completing one race, I went and checked the password and it was identical to my previous password.

    I believe in Metroid for the NES, you could input a password, start the game, die immediately by something and get a completely different password. I assume that is what you were asking?

    Indeed that's exactly what i was asking thanks, but if that isn't the case then i can understand why that would be considered a cheat...because anyone can use the same code and get the cars and levels at any time. You didn't need a passcode for your own personalized data, which would show that you did do the hard work to own those cars instead of merely memorizing a code.
  4. JJT_Defender's Avatar

    So, these are the rules for Game Boy Color International Rally that is being debated.

    The 2nd rule: The player may use any leveled-up car.

    Questions

    1. Did Fredb999 and John M Brissie use a password? Only they can answer that question, getting their input would help here.

    2. If Fredb999 and John M Brissie did not use a password and they both played through all the races to have access to all race cars to achieve their race times in Twin Galaxies scoreboard database archives. Then what is the problem?

    3. The only thing that I can see is the wording in Twin Galaxies rule 2 that states The player may use any leveled-up car. The problem with that is questionable , some people may think it means that a player can use a password.

    4. Their are two ways to SOLVE THIS PROBLEM

    #1 that Twin Galaxies @admin staff decides to amend Rule 2 that a player can use a password to have access to all race cars or

    #2 Just create a another track that allows a player to use password to have have access to all race cars.

    PROBLEM SOLVED EITHER WAY. Everything else is semantics.

    Thank you and God Bless you and your family and friends

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  5. JJT_Defender's Avatar

    Fredb999 did not use a password Alaska track

    John M Brissie did not use a password Alaska track

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