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12-17-2020 at 02:58 PM
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EMU =. Flashback consoles ???

Did I miss something or are we accepting as a community, games played on EMU for the Flashback Consoles?

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/224285-Intellivision-Flashback-Sharp-Shot-Maze-Shoot-51-Richard-Weidmann

This sub I brought up my argument and as soon as I voted, the submission closed. And of course I lost cred and cannot dispute. On a sidenote the submissions close way too quickly.

So does this mean I can play Atari 2600 game emulated on my Raspberry Pi and submit scores under the Atari Flashback platform?

or play Super Mario 3 on Retroarch and submit to NES Classic Edition?

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  1. timmell's Avatar
  2. voodoo_chilly's Avatar

    If it's not officially an Intellivision Flashback, then NO it shouldn't be included. There should be a new category for emulation I think. Best to get this corrected sooner than later before more subs. I mean, seeing the Fashback consoles makes you think it's the original Flashback...

  3. Rickster8's Avatar


    I get what you are saying but nobody has said a darn thing about this until now. I just looked at the Raspberry Pi section and there are barely any games there. None of the games that you are questioning. Furthermore, how is this any different than people playing with an LTO Flash Cart on the Intellivision??? You are supposed to show the proper cartridge, not a hybrid one that has a menu in it??? How is this different??? Until TG adds more games in the Raspberry Pi section area there's nowhere else for me to submit my InTV Flashback games.....

    Updated 12-17-2020 at 04:05 PM by Rickster8
  4. IntyFanMatt's Avatar

    If there are accepted scores from using an LTO Flash cart, then I don’t see what the difference is. Same ROMs, same gameplay. I don’t see why this is even an issue.

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  5. Pixe Sukola's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Rickster8

    I get what you are saying but nobody has said a darn thing about this until now.

    I think that may be due to most of us not realising that was a Pi in an Int case, but now that Michael pointed it out, I'm sure almost all the people that were voting Yes on your submissions, including myself, will abstain until this is discussed further and I believe most member would agree here that Pi submissions need to be on its own category due to potential differences.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rickster8

    I just looked at the Raspberry Pi section and there are barely any games there. None of the games that you are questioning.

    This is because there aren any active Pi players here, but if you would like to subit scores you can create your own tracks for that platform. If you don't have the points to do it, or don't know how, I can create some for you and I'm sure other members like Garrett would be happy to help too.

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  6. timmell's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by IntyFanMatt

    If there are accepted scores from using an LTO Flash cart, then I don’t see what the difference is. Same ROMs, same gameplay. I don’t see why this is even an issue.


    The issue is the hardware itself. Twin galaxies has different categories or different hardware. Example Arcade and MAME tracked separate but they are the same ROM.

    Hense the Billy Mitchell fiasco

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  7. Ninglendo's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by Rickster8



    I get what you are saying but nobody has said a darn thing about this until now. I just looked at the Raspberry Pi section and there are barely any games there. None of the games that you are questioning. Furthermore, how is this any different than people playing with an LTO Flash Cart on the Intellivision??? You are supposed to show the proper cartridge, not a hybrid one that has a menu in it??? How is this different??? Until TG adds more games in the Raspberry Pi section area there's nowhere else for me to submit my InTV Flashback games.....

    First off tracks are added by the community. All submissions that use a Raspberry Pi should go in that category. Second those flash carts are being played on the actual real system hardware. That's how they are different. One is 100% emulation and the other is using real hardware. Third its not an InTV Flashback. It's a Raspberry Pi.
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  8. IntyFanMatt's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by timmell



    The issue is the hardware itself. Twin galaxies has different categories or different hardware. Example Arcade and MAME tracked separate but they are the same ROM.

    Hense the Billy Mitchell fiasco

    Billy Mitchell’s scores were reinstated so that’s a bad analogy to use here. I still don’t see what the big deal is. Rickster is playing the same Roms on the same flashback controllers anyway. I think this is getting too nitpicky, but that’s just my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rickster8

    I get what you are saying but nobody has said a darn thing about this until now. I just looked at the Raspberry Pi section and there are barely any games there. None of the games that you are questioning. Furthermore, how is this any different than people playing with an LTO Flash Cart on the Intellivision??? You are supposed to show the proper cartridge, not a hybrid one that has a menu in it??? How is this different??? Until TG adds more games in the Raspberry Pi section area there's nowhere else for me to submit my InTV Flashback games.....


    i’m sorry that nobody said anything in the first place. It wasn’t till someone like me who has an eye and a knowledge for a lot of things INTV to actually take a long look at the submission. Instead of many of the blind voters around here who do know better.


    I believe I also voted thumbs up for your baseball score so I will be taking a credibility hit likely. For the record I know your submissions were honest. The TG adjudication system and the website is to blame not you. For the confusion.


    And yes there are no tracks for raspberry pi. Because as the users of TG now have to create them based on interest. And there hasn’t been any interest to create any around here.


    The LTO cart just holds the software. In the past the line has been drawn around here around original hardware. Because if it was about the same ROM Arcade and MAME would be the same category. Or for example your InTV scores on the flashback could be acceptable for the original INTV submissions. Then there won’t be a need for both categories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninglendo



    First off tracks are added by the community. All submissions that use a Raspberry Pi should go in that category. Second those flash carts are being played on the actual real system hardware. That's how they are different. One is 100% emulation and the other is using real hardware. Third its not an InTV Flashback. It's a Raspberry Pi.


    Okay so going forward I will only submit my Raspberry Pi games into the JZintv section, but what about all the entries I have already submitted as Flashback that have all been accepted? Yes I will definitely need more games added there.... There are only like 3 or 4 Intellivision games there now....

  11. Ninglendo's Avatar

    In the submission thread the submitter said this -

    "This is the first I have heard any problems with this. It's an Intellivision Flashback yes with a retropie but in all seriousness all the retropie would do (does) is make it HARDER not easier... Like for instance in playing Chess against the computer, it's harder to win with the retropie cuz it's smarter... "

    That doesn't make much sense but if it is true then there is a clear difference between the Pi and the Flashback and makes more of a case on why they need to be separated.

  12. timmell's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by IntyFanMatt


    Billy Mitchell’s scores were reinstated so that’s a bad analogy to use here. I still don’t see what the big deal is. Rickster is playing the same Roms on the same flashback controllers anyway. I think this is getting too nitpicky, but that’s just my opinion.


    Billy Mitchell scores were not reinstated at Twin galaxies. Check your news source.

    I agree he’s playing on the same ROMs, and I’m not doubting his skill. But in some cases using different hardware can result in different gameplay experiences. So that’s historically why they’ve been tracked differently.

    I think it’s nitpicky to. personally I believe MAME and Arcade should be the same platform. But I didn’t make the rules, I just do my best to make sure everybody else is following them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timmell



    Billy Mitchell scores were not reinstated at Twin galaxies. Check your news source.

    I agree he’s playing on the same ROMs, and I’m not doubting his skill. But in some cases using different hardware can result in different gameplay experiences. So that’s historically why they’ve been tracked differently.

    I think it’s nitpicky to. personally I believe MAME and Arcade should be the same platform. But I didn’t make the rules, I just do my best to make sure everybody else is following them.

    I appreciate your knowledge and insight. I still think this is overly picky since the hardware really isn’t different in this case, but I’ll leave it at that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IntyFanMatt


    I appreciate your knowledge and insight. I still think this is overly picky since the hardware really isn’t different in this case, but I’ll leave it at that.


    I agree with you it is picky. But I can’t agree with you that the hardware is not different. it is not the same processor in both of these pictures.


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    Updated 12-17-2020 at 05:03 PM by timmell
  15. IntyFanMatt's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by timmell



    I agree with you it is picky. But I can’t agree with you that the hardware is not different. it is not the same processor in both of these pictures.




    I guess I really wouldn’t care about that since it still plays the exact same roms on the same controllers, which to me is the same experience. But if the rules on this site say it has to be a separate track, then so be it. Moving on now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rickster8



    Okay so going forward I will only submit my Raspberry Pi games into the JZintv section, but what about all the entries I have already submitted as Flashback that have all been accepted? Yes I will definitely need more games added there.... There are only like 3 or 4 Intellivision games there now....

    I will donate some points for the tracks

    Maybe the @admin staff or god like commissioner @Jace Hall can correct the blind voting error. Or maybe someone sponsor a dispute. But I doubt anyone who voted Yes on those submissions will actually setup the dispute. Cause the voters don't want their preisous credibility score to take a hit.

    Updated 12-17-2020 at 05:12 PM by timmell
  17. Rickster8's Avatar

    So can an admin or moderator move my flashback subs over to the raspberry Pi section? Those games will have to be setup there obviously...

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    Quote Originally Posted by timmell


    I will donate some points for the tracks

    Maybe the @admin staff or god like commissioner @Jace Hall can correct the blind voting error. Or maybe someone sponsor a dispute. But I doubt anyone who voted Yes on those submissions will actually setup the dispute. Cause the voters don't want their preisous credibility score to take a hit.

    I couldn’t care less about credibility score. I know you do though, as you mentioned in your first post. But seriously, who cares...just help Rick move the scores to a different track somehow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rickster8

    So can an admin or moderator move my flashback subs over to the raspberry Pi section? Those games will have to be setup there obviously...

    That seems to be what should happen rather than going through disputes, if it can be done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IntyFanMatt


    I couldn’t care less about credibility score. I know you do though, as you mentioned in your first post. But seriously, who cares...just help Rick move the scores to a different track somehow.

    I don't care either except

    The only reason I care is, I'm trying to get 4000 credibility so I can dispute issues like this. to remove mistakes.

    The system is flawed.

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