This seems to just outline certificates for new achievements. Is there a process to receive a certificate for a previous, non TGSAP achievement?

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I'm not really understanding the financial aspect. I sort of understand while also not understanding the fine distinguishmetn between selling/transfering a world recod and selling the ceritificate. obviosly you cant transfer an achievement, i cant just take $20 from someone and declare them the new lode runner champion. yes i do understand i can give them the rights to tell people that snowflake is the champ and post the proof but i'm having troulbe understanding the financial value in that. i also have the secondary related question of, doesnt sharing photos of trophies of cerrtificates fall under fair use since you're just showing what someone did? i gotta think news agencies are allowed to take photos of a certificate and show what its about

am i completley misunderstanding this?

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Originally Posted by sdwyer138

This seems to just outline certificates for new achievements. Is there a process to receive a certificate for a previous, non TGSAP achievement?

Yes this will apply to all achievements in the database. Not just TGSAP.

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So, I either buy like, 3,000 certificates, or else someone else can potentially obtain whatever "rights" go along with my certificate?

I'm thinking that I simply don't understand, but I'm also thinking that if this had been a phone call, I'd have hung up about halfway thru.

Forget money, I don't have ROOM for 3k certificates, and the thought of the stuff I've done for the last almost decade to destroy my arms could possibly financially benefit someone else is not really cool, I don't think...

But again-I'm thinking I simply don't understand.

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Originally Posted by Snowflake

I'm not really understanding the financial aspect. I sort of understand while also not understanding the fine distinguishmetn between selling/transfering a world recod and selling the ceritificate. obviosly you cant transfer an achievement, i cant just take $20 from someone and declare them the new lode runner champion. yes i do understand i can give them the rights to tell people that snowflake is the champ and post the proof but i'm having troulbe understanding the financial value in that. i also have the secondary related question of, doesnt sharing photos of trophies of cerrtificates fall under fair use since you're just showing what someone did? i gotta think news agencies are allowed to take photos of a certificate and show what its about

am i completley misunderstanding this?

To better understand our proposition, consider this analogy:

Let's imagine that for each home-run hit by Babe Ruth, Major League Baseball issued a unique, authenticated certificate representing that particular home-run. This would result in a total of 714 unique certificates, reflecting Babe Ruth's 714 home-runs.

Now, imagine the potential value of each of these certificates today. Their worth would likely fluctuate, depending on the context of each home run. The last certificate, or perhaps the first, could be the most coveted. One thing we can agree on is that, if such certificates existed, they would undoubtedly hold some value within the sports collectibles market.

However, in this hypothetical scenario, these certificates, likely on paper, would have been ungoverned. While Babe Ruth might have profited from the initial sale, he would have been excluded from future transactions as the certificates were re-sold or traded. This is unfortunate, as over time, the value of these certificates would likely increase.

This analogy underscores the potential value of achievement certificates. These certificates can be seen as historical artifacts. People already collect items such as comics, baseball cards, and Pokemon cards - items that can be mass-produced by corporations. In contrast, a TG achievement certificate cannot be generated at will. It requires a human to accomplish something with evidence supporting it, creating an inherent scarcity and making each certificate a collectible historical item.

Our proposed modernized TG system aims to rectify the issues present in the Babe Ruth scenario by establishing a governance system for each certificate. This system would enable the original achiever to passively benefit from any transactions related to the sale or trade of their TG Certificate.

As for your concern about sharing photos and fair use, it's true that sharing could present a fair use case. However, as an owner, you have complete control over the display of your certificate, so you can choose not to share photos if you prefer.

Hopefully, this has helped to clarify our proposed system. Feel free to ask if you have any further questions.

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Originally Posted by TWIN GALAXIES

This system would enable the original achiever to passively benefit from any transactions related to the sale or trade of their TG Certificate.

How will a person receive payment for the transfer of their certificate if they are dead, unknown/unable to contact, or otherwise uninterested in participating in TG?

If I purchase the rights to this person's certificate, will you finally address the special character issue in player names, or will it come printed like this:

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Originally Posted by Rogerpoco

So, I either buy like, 3,000 certificates, or else someone else can potentially obtain whatever "rights" go along with my certificate?

I'm thinking that I simply don't understand, but I'm also thinking that if this had been a phone call, I'd have hung up about halfway thru.

Forget money, I don't have ROOM for 3k certificates, and the thought of the stuff I've done for the last almost decade to destroy my arms could possibly financially benefit someone else is not really cool, I don't think...

But again-I'm thinking I simply don't understand.

The certificates are digital. Unless you chose to print and frame them all, your 3000 certificates will easily fit on a $8 USB 2.0 thumb drive.

Please see this post in reference to financial stuff, hopefully it will make more sense - https://www.twingalaxies.com/wall/11970/progress-on-revamping-twin-galaxies-achievement-certificates/page/1#comment93130

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Originally Posted by sdwyer138

How will a person receive payment for the transfer of their certificate if they are dead, unknown/unable to contact, or otherwise uninterested in participating in TG?

If I purchase the rights to this person's certificate, will you finally address the special character issue in player names, or will it come printed like this:

It will be up to the player to register their information at Twin Galaxies in order to receive any proceeds. In the absence of that registration, Twin Galaxies will likely hold that ongoing share for the player for a period of time, and if the player does not claim that share within that timeframe, the money will be retained by Twin Galaxies to support things like bounties, tournaments or other events/operations.

In regard to the special character issue - it is likely that the source data for this name in the database will appear correctly on the certificate itself, as the image above is a web display issue and the certificate code is not making use of any of that code to generate the certificate data.

That being said, do you have a link to the above display error?

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Originally Posted by TWIN GALAXIES

In regard to the special character issue - it is likely that the source data for this name in the database will appear correctly on the certificate itself, as the image above is a web display issue and the certificate code is not making use of any of that code to generate the certificate data.

That being said, do you have a link to the above display error?

https://www.twingalaxies.com/game/twilight-zone/pinball/tournament-3-balls-only/page/1

However it is not limited to this one name on this one track. It is multiple players over multiple tracks. I have really only noticed it under the Pinball platform, and I have mentioned it before on various occasions.

A Find and Replace search in the database will likely be helpful here.

A web display issue is still an issue that needs to be corrected. It makes the website look unprofessional.

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Originally Posted by TWIN GALAXIES

It will be up to the player to register their information at Twin Galaxies in order to receive any proceeds. In the absence of that registration, Twin Galaxies will likely hold that ongoing share for the player for a period of time, and if the player does not claim that share within that timeframe, the money will be retained by Twin Galaxies to support things like bounties, tournaments or other events/operations.

In regard to the special character issue - it is likely that the source data for this name in the database will appear correctly on the certificate itself, as the image above is a web display issue and the certificate code is not making use of any of that code to generate the certificate data.

That being said, do you have a link to the above display error?

So to answer my question, basically "yes"-

If I don't take the time to click something 3000 times, fill out 3000 forms, whatever, somehow or another, my accomplishments, good bad and ugly, are public domain for someone else to "make money" (gleaning money to pay bounties is "making money", period...).

Hourglass Eyes, for those geek enough to understand that.

This is a very unexpected deal. I'm just totally confused as to why any of this would be deemed worthy of monetization at all.

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What happens to a purchased certificate if the score it represents is successfully disputed?

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Originally Posted by Rogerpoco

So to answer my question, basically "yes"-

If I don't take the time to click something 3000 times, fill out 3000 forms, whatever, somehow or another, my accomplishments, good bad and ugly, are public domain for someone else to "make money" (gleaning money to pay bounties is "making money", period...).

Hourglass Eyes, for those geek enough to understand that.

This is a very unexpected deal. I'm just totally confused as to why any of this would be deemed worthy of monetization at all.

It's essential to understand that your achievements are always your own. They exist in the database, highlighted in your profile, and stand as a testament to your skill. The achievement is not represented by a certificate; rather, it is celebrated in that document.

Consider a roller coaster ride, where they capture your photo at a thrilling moment. The offered snapshot, which you may choose to purchase or not, doesn't change the fact that you experienced the ride. Similarly, your achievement isn't defined by the possession of a certificate, but by the accomplishment itself.

In the roller coaster scenario, anyone could potentially buy your photo, if they perceive value in it. However, unlike this scenario, in the TG model, you would benefit from each transaction involving your certificate, creating an ongoing stream of participation.

While most of the time, it is probably just you who would want your certificate, there are some potential advantages for successful players:

1.) The opportunity to acquire a TG Certificate, commemorating their accomplishment, or
2.) The possibility of participating in the value stream if someone else finds their achievement desirable, even if they personally do not seek a certificate.

These potential benefits offer an overall positive scenario for players, emphasizing the fact that achievements are personal, and their worth is not diminished by whether or not they are certified.

Originally Posted by sdwyer138

What happens to a purchased certificate if the score it represents is successfully disputed?

That's an excellent and thought-provoking question!

The certificate, at the time of issuance, validates a certain achievement. It's akin to an authenticated snapshot, capturing a unique moment in time.

Even if the score it recognizes is disputed later, the "snapshot" remains unaltered, as it represents a past event.

The TG Certificate, minted as an NFT, is the property of its owner and is irrevocable.

Subsequently, its value may increase due to its newfound rarity or symbolism associated with the dispute. Conversely, it might decrease if it is perceived as representing invalid data.

Ultimately, its value is determined by market dynamics, a fascinating concept to ponder.

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Originally Posted by Rogerpoco

So, I either buy like, 3,000 certificates, or else someone else can potentially obtain whatever "rights" go along with my certificate?

"Poco Certs" are the new Penny Stocks....

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I have spent many hours in the Blockchain world mining Etherium, minting NFT's, buying and selling too. It is not for the faint of heart, but has tremendous benefits. My main goal was education, but I minted a couple of ETH coins while I was at it, and made a sweet profit of buying a Trump trading card and flipping it ($300 profit).

I am absolutely in love with this idea for Twin Galaxies. I can already feel the money flying out of my pocket to buy certificates. No joke!

This is one of the most exciting TG developments in years. Can't wait to learn more.

Originally Posted by TWIN GALAXIES

To better understand our proposition, consider this analogy:

Let's imagine that for each home-run hit by Babe Ruth, Major League Baseball issued a unique, authenticated certificate representing that particular home-run. This would result in a total of 714 unique certificates, reflecting Babe Ruth's 714 home-runs.

Now, imagine the potential value of each of these certificates today. Their worth would likely fluctuate, depending on the context of each home run. The last certificate, or perhaps the first, could be the most coveted. One thing we can agree on is that, if such certificates existed, they would undoubtedly hold some value within the sports collectibles market.

However, in this hypothetical scenario, these certificates, likely on paper, would have been ungoverned. While Babe Ruth might have profited from the initial sale, he would have been excluded from future transactions as the certificates were re-sold or traded. This is unfortunate, as over time, the value of these certificates would likely increase.

This analogy underscores the potential value of achievement certificates. These certificates can be seen as historical artifacts. People already collect items such as comics, baseball cards, and Pokemon cards - items that can be mass-produced by corporations. In contrast, a TG achievement certificate cannot be generated at will. It requires a human to accomplish something with evidence supporting it, creating an inherent scarcity and making each certificate a collectible historical item.

Our proposed modernized TG system aims to rectify the issues present in the Babe Ruth scenario by establishing a governance system for each certificate. This system would enable the original achiever to passively benefit from any transactions related to the sale or trade of their TG Certificate.

As for your concern about sharing photos and fair use, it's true that sharing could present a fair use case. However, as an owner, you have complete control over the display of your certificate, so you can choose not to share photos if you prefer.

Hopefully, this has helped to clarify our proposed system. Feel free to ask if you have any further questions.

apolgies if this already answered, i'm replying as i read, if it is answered i'll delete,no need to say "scroll up" i'm reading everything now so give me half an hour if thats the case... that said

this raises more question. you seem almost to be implying every future sale somehow benefits the original holder? how? also, and i can defintiely be getting the sematnics wrong here, but it sounds more like a commerative plaque than a certificate. i think of a certificat as something to prove what you did, but what your describing is more like a commerative token to celebrate and remember something. terminology can matter in such a case, because ifi 'm understanding correctly, well, the record holder would be hard pressed to upset someone else has a poster or coin or plaque or whatever celebrating their victory but they have a lot more reason to be upset over someone having their certificate.

omg i thought for sure roger read this wrong.

ok, i'm a little surprised admin doesnt know some of the culture around here. I guarantee you, someone like roger but not exactly like roger will voice similiar concenrs and then cry bloodly murder if someone buys his certificates. I hope twin galaxies is ready for cry babying, reporting, frivolous legal threats, and a host of other issues when someone buys someone else' cert.

all that said, you know me, i'm not complainig, i'm happy to watch the fire works.

this is gonna lead to some of the most fun meltdowns i've ever seen at this place!

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I'm still wondering when I will be able to grab a TG t-shirt.

Hope that some of you find value and enjoyment in this. Im old fashioned but will hold out for something I can actually touch.

As an aside to some of what snowflake was referring to- seems like there are multiple ways this process could result in a person or group of people harassing another member through the monopolizing of a person's nfts.

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NFT's have built in technology (part of the smart contract / programming) that allows you to specify a % of future sales go back to the original owner. Unfortunately in the case of my Trump card, the organization that minted the cards were the original owner. I don't get any profits from subsequen sales, they do. I think it is 10%. Pretty smart, considering they minted $5,000,000 worth of cards that sold out on the first day, then people started flipping them. Lots of residual income over that...for as long as the blockchain exists.

Originally Posted by Blackflag82

I'm still wondering when I will be able to grab a TG t-shirt.

Hope that some of you find value and enjoyment in this. Im old fashioned but will hold out for something I can actually touch.

As an aside to some of what snowflake was referring to- seems like there are multiple ways this process could result in a person or group of people harassing another member through the monopolizing of a person's nfts.

as well as someone just falsely accusing harassemtn as a way of reserving therse "dont do this or else i'll feel harassed". then whoeverpreemptively cries harassment guarantees theres wont be solduntil they're ready to buy, meanwhile nicer people like roger get screwed

it will really encourage squeeky wheels geting the grease

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