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01-16-2024 at 08:10 AM

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The matter is closed.


The enormous thanks and appreciation and additional thoughts that Twin Galaxies would like to express to the entire community will be addressed in a future post.


In the meanwhile, immediate questions can be answered on this thread.


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Quote Originally Posted by sdwyer138

who are you even? You have no scores here. Never seen you post before. Not following anybody nor is anybody following you. You think you are making a statement here with that? lol, gurl bye. You didn’t exist here in the first place

guys please stop cant you see tearing each other apart is what mitchell wants! please dont go, twin galaxies will collapse without you

in all serousness i briefly had the same feelings. and that when i fell for the miselad and thought billy got his scores back but i still made peace with it. i gotta get better at just fighitng my own fights. sure dont be completley selfish i can care about otehrs too. but this isnt my fight, jace is a big boy, and its not like anyone was murdered. I'll leave or stay tg based on the fun i have here, i'm not gonna to make some principled stand. then all the more so when i realized all he got was this misleading statement and his scores are still gone and yeah, i dont want to go into religion, but lets just say i see it as a chance for me to practice what i claim to believe and get better at not wishing harm on others. his scores are still gone, the only upsetting thing is he didnt have to suffer for all his bad deeds but like i say i'm trying to get better at not wanting others to suffer -- not even dorks like mitchell
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Quote Originally Posted by sdwyer138


who are you even? You have no scores here. Never seen you post before. Not following anybody nor is anybody following you. You think you are making a statement here with that? lol, gurl bye. You didn’t exist here in the first place

I have the most important score here and that the on the fake ass KoK so-called "documentary" is based on punk! Don't yoy forget it!

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Quote Originally Posted by Skywarp


I have the most important score here and that the on the fake ass KoK so-called "documentary" is based on punk! Don't yoy forget it!


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Quote Originally Posted by Skywarp

I have the most important score here and that the on the fake ass KoK so-called "documentary" is based on punk! Don't yoy forget it!

lol a very low valued score thats only value is you beat a nobody

to me the real hero is steve weibe since he was the first to beat tim zerbie

the more i think of it beating tim zerbie is the most important accomplishment in all tg history

tim only beat billy, so what, but steve he beat tim, now that means something!
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The only thing left is the lawsuit against Karl Jobst, which I know he's going to lose.

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Quote Originally Posted by Snowflake

For years you’ve received numerous suggestions from numerous people to split the database seperate the corrupt good old boys ref scores from the real modern day scores

does this perhaps make you more open to reconsidering that split ?

This specifically? No.

But I have been thinking about separating TGSAP from all else for a very long time.

Do you think the community is ready for that? It would affect record counts, esi, everything. In that new system only TGSAP will count essentially, everything else would be considered just to be historic.

What are your thoughts?

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Reposting here:


Wow, this is shockingly disappointing. I also have a few parting statements:


1) To those wondering about Michael Zyda ::: I'm a real Electrical Engineer and Michael Zyda's statements are completely false. 100% demonstrably false. To clarify what I mean by "real E.E.": My B.S. and M.S. are in Electrical Engineering not a "B.Arts in Computer and Information Science" ,,, LOL ... (fake "degree" for people who want to get into "technology" but don't have the intelligence to make it through a real degree). Zyda's statements should obviously not be taken seriously.


2) To Jace Hall ::: Jace, you are a disgusting, spineless, piece of garbage! You make me sick. You just slapped everyone in the face who has been hurt by Mitchell over the years. You just spit in the face of everyone who values integrity over personal gain/loss. You were given an opportunity (that most aren't afforded) to make a difference for the good of the community but you cowardly pissed it away. That "Statement from T.G." was horrifically terrible and so are you.


3) To the T.G. community ::: My opinion is that the best thing to do from here is just starve the Twin Galaxies website. If people keep coming here to submit scores, vote on scores, comment on posts, read editorials, etc. it only encourages this type of spineless behavior from Ms. Hall and his editorial staff cronies. Websites are not expensive, you can make your own database. One with integrity and honor (the opposite of the qualities that T.G. stands for). For me, to continue to support T.G. after this debacle would be just as spineless as the actions of Hall and Mitchell.


4) I despise Billy but this is a huge win for him and a giant loss for the T.G. community. So, what happened? The Michael Zyda thing is an obvious smoke screen but what actually happened? Just something to think about ... do you want to participate in a website that straight up lies to you like T.G. just did in that "statement"? For me the answer is a resounding NO.

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You don't have to like it, but insulting Mr. Hall and the community was uncalled for.

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Quote Originally Posted by Lauren Tyler

You don't have to like it, but insulting Mr. Hall and the community was uncalled for.

I only insulted Mr. Hall, not the community. And it was, of course, called for and well deserved. Where are you claiming that I insulted the community?

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Quote Originally Posted by Jace Hall


This specifically? No.

But I have been thinking about separating TGSAP from all else for a very long time.

Do you think the community is ready for that? It would affect record counts, esi, everything. In that new system only TGSAP will count essentially, everything else would be considered just to be historic.

What are your thoughts?


I would just leave the database alone. To make it more competitive. Even, I can't beat many of my scores during the referee days and the current TGSAP.


I will surpass 4,000 records one of these days.

However, if TGASP scores are there only and the referee scores are retired, so be it. I have improving my scores in the Sonic games





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Quote Originally Posted by Jace Hall

This specifically? No.

But I have been thinking about separating TGSAP from all else for a very long time.

Do you think the community is ready for that? It would affect record counts, esi, everything. In that new system only TGSAP will count essentially, everything else would be considered just to be historic.

What are your thoughts?

well obvoiulsy i cant speak for others, but good point about aggregates. dont take this the wrong way, i'm not really beating you up for it, just saying valuable lesson that some things are easier to do sooner than later, casue fair enough, now some things are built around it.

i believe it will increase world record count if anyting right? its not like someone whos first will be lower if they're score goes to a different track but the reveerse may be true. it could definitley hurt esi. hey i like esi but oh well i'll take that hit

i guessif you wanna know how most tg users would feel, put up a poll. my guess is any change comes with some complaints but i both guess that right off the bat the majority will prefer it, and for sure as time goes on and it become the new normal it will prevent alot of comlaints
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OK, so I admit I misread it.

The fact remains, there's no real need to be insulting anyone.

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the only way i'd be mad at jace is if he was in on it with billy from the beginning for pr or something, and i dont believe thats the case

would i have liked billy to really get hit hard? sure. but easy for me to say its not my money. its very easy to talk how others should spend their money. i also guess anyone who donated time and effort to jace might have some right to feel betrayed, but i think of those of us just watching the drama and sure caring about the scoreboard arent really owed anything from jace other than he keep the scoreboard pure, which he still is. i have put effort adjudicating and submitting i was led here to spend my time on the belief thisng would be fair and thats still the case. the mitchel getting away with it upsetting but i'm having troulbe seeing how jace owes me any of mitchel blood. any really thats what its about at this point. the scoreboard is protected its just about punishing the villian. i dont like seeing the villian get away with it but like is say, yeah, unless jace was somehow working with him to deceive us i can see being angry, disappointed, hurt but i really dont feel jace mistreated us.
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Quote Originally Posted by Snowflake
the only way i'd be mad at jace is if he was in on it with billy from the beginning for pr or something, and i dont believe thats the case would i have liked billy to really get hit hard? sure. but easy for me to say its not my money. its very easy to talk how others should spend their money. i also guess anyone who donated time and effort to jace might have some right to feel betrayed, but i think of those of us just watching the drama and sure caring about the scoreboard arent really owed anything from jace other than he keep the scoreboard pure, which he still is. i have put effort adjudicating and submitting i was led here to spend my time on the belief thisng would be fair and thats still the case. the mitchel getting away with it upsetting but i'm having troulbe seeing how jace owes me any of mitchel blood. any really thats what its about at this point. the scoreboard is protected its just about punishing the villian. i dont like seeing the villian get away with it but like is say, yeah, unless jace was somehow working with him to deceive us i can see being angry, disappointed, hurt but i really dont feel jace mistreated us.


We should also thank Jace for making us create our own tracks for more competition and disputing scores as well. Heck, I had many scores disputed because of my errors.

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Quote Originally Posted by Skywarp

I have the most important score here and that the on the fake ass KoK so-called "documentary" is based on punk! Don't yoy forget it!

lol he was replying to your other account tim, way to screw up and reveal you're a dual account holder.
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Quote Originally Posted by Jace Hall


This specifically? No.

But I have been thinking about separating TGSAP from all else for a very long time.

Do you think the community is ready for that? It would affect record counts, esi, everything. In that new system only TGSAP will count essentially, everything else would be considered just to be historic.

What are your thoughts?


The community has been ready for a long time. If it hasn't got a video then it should be archived.

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Quote Originally Posted by Jace Hall


This specifically? No.

But I have been thinking about separating TGSAP from all else for a very long time.

Do you think the community is ready for that? It would affect record counts, esi, everything. In that new system only TGSAP will count essentially, everything else would be considered just to be historic.

What are your thoughts?

I think this is a good idea. Given that the non-TGSAP scores are essentially dated now, they should be archived.

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Should have done it before even making a dispute system. Would have saved everyone a lot of pain.

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Quote Originally Posted by Jace Hall


This specifically? No.

But I have been thinking about separating TGSAP from all else for a very long time.

Do you think the community is ready for that? It would affect record counts, esi, everything. In that new system only TGSAP will count essentially, everything else would be considered just to be historic.

What are your thoughts?


I strongly disagree with this. Thousands of records are legitimate and just because they dont have a video attached to it doesn't mean they didn't happen. Every time somebody like Desidious beats a Tom Duncan score in Burnout, it in some way legitimates those scores because if they are being beaten that means they are posible to get and most certainly real. I have invested thousands of hours trying to beat scores here just to see if they are real and so far 99.9% of them are.

To just disregard those records would absolutely make me feel like my acomplishments in beating scores like Links Crossbow Training Level 1-1 are just thrown to the trash, because now they are earning 0 ESI, after I put a tremendous effort and invested lots of hours in getting 1st place and proving that those records were possible. 80% of Wii scores which is a relatively modern console are pre TGSAP so that would aboslutely kill my motivation to keep playing and submitting to that platform.

I also believe that this would affect new players joining the site, for example new member Scott Hawkins joined the site because he wanted to compete on Geometry Wars Galaxies after the Nintendo servers shut down, so far he has earned 500 ESI points playing that game alone, he is 1st place in that game and #15 in the Wii ESI leaderboard. If you remove the pre-TGSAP scores from that game, the only ones that are left are my scores and his, that would absolutely kill any interest for me in that game and probably his. Cyberscore would have a much more interesting leaderboard to compete on despite their inferior scrutiny.

There is not enough TGSAP scores for me to beat to stay interested in the site to be honest. Most of what's been submitted these days is Atari, Commodore, Android and other platforms that don't interest me. A filter that players can toggle to see only TGSAP, or only pre TGSAP would be a great idea, an actual separation would not.

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Quote Originally Posted by Lauren Tyler


I think this is a good idea. Given that the non-TGSAP scores are essentially dated now, they should be archived.


A score from 20 years ago is as valid as the ones we are submitting today, how are they dated exactly? And if we can do that, then in 20 years all of the scores being submitted today are going to be dated as well and should be removed and disregarded? Why are we submitting them then?

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