I think the important thing to people on the issue was the overall W/R count in the member rankings, which is unchanged.

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Originally Posted by Rogerpoco

I think the important thing to people on the issue was the overall W/R count in the member rankings, which is unchanged.

Huh?

Records on tracks with only a single entry will no longer contribute to a user’s “TG World Records” tally.

TG just made expanding the database functionally worthless.

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I haven't been through the option of purchasing one but does this also mean that certificates purchased against inaugural submissions will not have a WR text?

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Originally Posted by Barthax

Huh?

I just meant, the w/r count overinflation issue doesn't seem addressed.

Ah, NBD. This is progress, and is much appreciated!

Seems like everyone has 0 TG World Records, and the amount of Other TG Records seems to be the total of all scores submitted.

I'm actually interested to see how this affects the overall rankings.

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Originally Posted by starcrytas

I'm actually interested to see how this affects the overall rankings.

I'm failing to see a reason to keep a WR count with this change (as I understand it): the WR count did something that ESI didn't do but now the WR count is just a derivative of ESI so why keep it?

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One I’ll be curious to see how it turns out is the ACHIEVEMENT ONLY setting. So does this mean a MAXOUT on a game like Laser Blast is just a task completion?

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I belive this is the right direction and a win for everyone.

I understand the initial negative reaction once the World Records leaderboard calculates after the dust settles, I have a lot of inaugurals myself.. but it is definitely for the greater good.

Maybe make an achievement count leaderboard so folks can aim for that if they wish because I'm all for people enjoying gaming how they wish.

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Originally Posted by nads

One I’ll be curious to see how it turns out is the ACHIEVEMENT ONLY setting. So does this mean a MAXOUT on a game like Laser Blast is just a task completion?

If the task/score/time never changes no matter the action.. that should be a novelty. Laser Blast can easily be seen as a non-novelty track because the score can be lower than the max that can be achieved.

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Originally Posted by nads

One I’ll be curious to see how it turns out is the ACHIEVEMENT ONLY setting. So does this mean a MAXOUT on a game like Laser Blast is just a task completion?

I'm reading this as any score that has a single result no matter how you play the game will be counted as an achievement. If the possibly to have more than one singular score is possible, then it's a WR score. I would hope that's how it's being done.

I'm guessing this "Achievement Only" setting was established for tracks like all the Final Fantasy scores LAH created that literally have no alternative result no matter how you play it. You either did it and TG recognizes it, or you didn't.

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Originally Posted by nads

One I’ll be curious to see how it turns out is the ACHIEVEMENT ONLY setting. So does this mean a MAXOUT on a game like Laser Blast is just a task completion?

+1

Just to add to this statement, are the track creators responsible for determining whether a new track is ACHIEVEMENT of COMPETITIVE.

IMO - I would rather have a world record count (no filter) leaderboard, and a competitive leaderboard (filters = >1 competitor and 1>unique score). Seems like it would accomplish the same thing without disappointing those that want to keep the "1st place" count as its been for a long time.

Lets see where this goes... grabbing a snack, watching and waiting

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Originally Posted by starcrytas

Seems like everyone has 0 TG World Records, and the amount of Other TG Records seems to be the total of all scores submitted.

I'm actually interested to see how this affects the overall rankings.

Yes there is currently a bug in the WR calculation and everyone is at ZERO and everything seems to be in "other records" - @admin staff is working to fix the issue.

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Hi All

We are reverting the old record calculation for now.

We will fix the bug and update the records ASAP

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Originally Posted by Barthax

I'm failing to see a reason to keep a WR count with this change (as I understand it): the WR count did something that ESI didn't do but now the WR count is just a derivative of ESI so why keep it?

ESI describes how many players you are beating.

WR count describes how many Rank 1 positions you have on tracks that have competition.

If you held Rank 2 positions on all your tracks, you can have a high ESI number but a World Record count of 0.

They are different things.

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Originally Posted by Rogerpoco

I think the important thing to people on the issue was the overall W/R count in the member rankings, which is unchanged.

Yes. I believe a separate service has to run for that to get updated. @admin staff is aware of this.

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Originally Posted by Barthax

Huh?

TG just made expanding the database functionally worthless.

If an individual aims solely to claim a world record on a leaderboard lacking competition merely for the distinction, this path is no longer available. Instead, their achievement will be acknowledged and celebrated as a Twin Galaxies gaming milestone until another competitor submits an entry, introducing rivalry to the leaderboard.

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Originally Posted by Barthax

I haven't been through the option of purchasing one but does this also mean that certificates purchased against inaugural submissions will not have a WR text?

We have not made that change yet, so at the moment inaugurals will be minted as World Records (black/gold)- but we do plan on addressing this and once addressed, the inaugurals will be Certificates of Achievement (red/white/blue) with a Rank 1 delineation.

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Originally Posted by MyOwnWorstEnemy

+1

Just to add to this statement, are the track creators responsible for determining whether a new track is ACHIEVEMENT of COMPETITIVE.

IMO - I would rather have a world record count (no filter) leaderboard, and a competitive leaderboard (filters = >1 competitor and 1>unique score). Seems like it would accomplish the same thing without disappointing those that want to keep the "1st place" count as its been for a long time.

Lets see where this goes... grabbing a snack, watching and waiting

Yes. Track creators will be able to set whether a track is a task completion track or a dynamic track. However, once it has been set and created, only admins will be able to alter the setting.

Just wondering how one would track an in-game achievement that isn't attached to some kind of number or time and how they would make a track for it. Since it would be a novelty track and not meant for competition then wouldn't it be open for many different things?

The Nintendo 64 Completion bounty comes to mine. Say you want to track the fact that you beat a game.

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Originally Posted by Desidious

I belive this is the right direction and a win for everyone.

I understand the initial negative reaction once the World Records leaderboard calculates after the dust settles, I have a lot of inaugurals myself.. but it is definitely for the greater good.

Maybe make an achievement count leaderboard so folks can aim for that if they wish because I'm all for people enjoying gaming how they wish.

i was about to say something very simliar, so rathert than look like i'm plagiarizing you i wanna acknowledge you beat me to it ;)

absolutely well intentioned needed step. I have no doubt now that we're getting this we're gonna see alot of issues in details. My suggestion, like Desidious' is this. Yes, such a record is really misleading to call a "world record" since it didnt beat anyone, but its also very misleading to call it "other records" since that imples beaten by the record holder. i too would like to see it have its own category.

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