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Well look at that, original mask ROMs and the correct custom chip!

Awesome man :)

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Thanks EVN! I have no qualms with anyone using a converted Namco System 1 board for scores or times, but it is really nice to have an actual original boardset regardless :)

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WHAT. You beat the CONSOLEPLAYEROFTHECENTURY's WR score. Unbelievable. Someone aint gonna be happy. :)

How many attempts did it take (about)?

john

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Originally Posted by lexmark

WHAT. You beat the CONSOLEPLAYEROFTHECENTURY's WR score. Unbelievable. Someone aint gonna be happy. :)

How many attempts did it take (about)?

john

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The world record I was competing with was Anthony Paparo's score of 716,000. Regardless, this record run was my 3rd completed attempt. My first try was an unrecorded 579,700 with a death in stage 4, which is a tremendous loss in point potential. My second try was 690,100 points, which was already in striking distance, so I decided to stream the next set of attempts on Twitch.

Most of my advantages in my Splatterhouse gameplay (despite the low attempt count) comes down to the fact that I've relentlessly grinded down my speedrun record over the years. I have an extremely firm grasp of the movement and attack mechanics, as well as the AI of the enemies in stage 6 that when I do get on a roll, it's very hard for the game to kill me. That's not always the case though, as there were a few really poor loops where I would make one mistake that snowballs, but I guess that's what you get when you only complete 3 attempts lol

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Originally Posted by zallard1

Thanks EVN! I have no qualms with anyone using a converted Namco System 1 board for scores or times, but it is really nice to have an actual original boardset regardless :)

Hah, to be clear I don't either. I only disputed RJF's score because he was acting like a tool and making wild claims about his conversion board. Now all the info is in the dispute thread for others to use their own conversion board.

Now you just need to avoid the other troll here taking exception to you playing on a supergun! Since you beat RJF I'm sure he won't object or call you poor.

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Originally Posted by EVN

Hah, to be clear I don't either. I only disputed RJF's score because he was acting like a tool and making wild claims about his conversion board. Now all the info is in the dispute thread for others to use their own conversion board.

Now you just need to avoid the other troll here taking exception to you playing on a supergun! Since you beat RJF I'm sure he won't object or call you poor.

Well, this game doesn't have a standard control panel as far as I'm aware of, so playing on a SuperGun is a comparable experience in the competitive sense. And yeah, I agree that information is good to know for each record that uses a conversion. I would say from a game preservation standpoint that it's good to allow that to be viable, since eventually these original boards will all eventually break down, and conversions will eventually be more and more common as vital components permanently die.

Do people really still have issue with SuperGun submissions here though? If it's gonna cause a huge ruckus for this to get accepted here, then I suppose I could just spare myself the headache and be content with my run being on Twitch and youtube.

Originally Posted by zallard1

Do people really still have issue with SuperGun submissions here though? If it's gonna cause a huge ruckus for this to get accepted here, then I suppose I could just spare myself the headache and be content with my run being on Twitch and youtube.

Nope, just one person had a cry about my last supergun submission. It got accepted just like the last 20 or so supergun runs I have submitted and said complainer didn't even vote so I wouldn't worry.

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Originally Posted by EVN

Nope, just one person had a cry about my last supergun submission. It got accepted just like the last 20 or so supergun runs I have submitted and said complainer didn't even vote so I wouldn't worry.

Ehhh, I dunno. I also feel like since I don't have a camera on my setup or anything that it'll probably just get rejected outright. I did my run on stream with a direct feed and my spreadsheet for tracking my score pace, so I don't show the boardset in the video at all. I also reset the game with the "Test" button on the supergun instead of power cycling it or letting my character lose all his lives. I don't really know what the precedent for that is on this site.

I mainly did my run primarily for my Twitch stream & not necessarily to follow TG's strict guidelines, so I still feel like attempting to submit this is going to be a frustrating experience in one way or another. I guess I'm just kind of hesitant overall, but if people can convince me this has a chance of success in making it through the adjudication process (despite the stuff I mention above) without being a total mess, I'll consider it.

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I dunno about others but I wouldn't have an issue with you doing a separate video or pics to show the hardware. The current record has a splice in the video between the gameplay and hardware verification anyway.

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I look forward to reviewing your submission when I get home. Don't let EVN scare you. Most people here are decent and friendly. He has no way of knowing how people voted, as that is private. His attempt to intimidate people who questioned his use of customized controllers on a pneumatic controlled board has revealed his true nature.

seperate videos with no overlap are far from ideal.

however direct feed does show everything. So if the play is all good, plus you prove access to a working board, its hard to imagine you'd play on a perfect fake while owning a real one.

there's absolutely a chance of acceptance and i suggest submit. if it gets too frustration, walk away when the frustation is too big, but dont give up ahead of time just on "what ifs".

even though you're well known, you're also new from as a submitter and some understanding is often given to new submitters. I would say though if you're gonna be submitting more try to be more thorough with the evidence package in the future

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oh man zallard, i just checked out your profile here. i see you did have one other submission. Hey @Blackflag82 chec kit out in addition to best in the world at defender, track n field, fast and furious, jjt is also the best at punch out and could easily triple zallard's score he just chooses not to

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/172910-Arcade-Super-Punch-Out!!-Points-1-917-800-Zachary-Allard/page3

I see you already have some experience with frustatrations here, yet you also saw your score get accepted after the arguing was over.


Sadly your prior experience with submitting is more common that I'd like it to be. If you feel that hassle is worth it for an accepted score -- and i personally absolutlye think its worth it -- then yes submit.

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Originally Posted by EVN

I dunno about others but I wouldn't have an issue with you doing a separate video or pics to show the hardware. The current record has a splice in the video between the gameplay and hardware verification anyway.

Huh, didn't know that. Kind of defeats one of the only purposes of using camera verification.

Originally Posted by datagod

I look forward to reviewing your submission when I get home. Don't let EVN scare you. Most people here are decent and friendly. He has no way of knowing how people voted, as that is private. His attempt to intimidate people who questioned his use of customized controllers on a pneumatic controlled board has revealed his true nature

I haven't submitted anything here and am still indecisive on it. I am considering it, but I haven't had a smooth experience with TGSAP with a SuperGun submission in the past, and I'm not particularly interested in repeat bouts of constant nonsense.

I also looked into that submission EVN was talking about. The only "true nature" of his that's revealed in that thread is that he didn't want to buy an incredibly expensive and unwieldy OEM pneumatic control panel for a boardset that is already designed for both deluxe/pneumatic & normal control schemes. Seems like a pretty rational decision to me.

I also see you frequently showing your disdain for SuperGun submissions in that thread in how you believe they shouldn't be used for TG submissions. What's there to convince me you wouldn't do likewise for my SuperGun submission?

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Originally Posted by zallard1

Huh, didn't know that. Kind of defeats one of the only purposes of using camera verification.

Yup.

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/188982-Dispute-Evan-Weston-Arcade-Splatterhouse-Points-Player-Rudy-J-Ferretti-Score-708-000?p=987581&viewfull=1#post987581

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Originally Posted by Snowflake

seperate videos with no overlap are far from ideal.

however direct feed does show everything. So if the play is all good, plus you prove access to a working board, its hard to imagine you'd play on a perfect fake while owning a real one.

there's absolutely a chance of acceptance and i suggest submit. if it gets too frustration, walk away when the frustation is too big, but dont give up ahead of time just on "what ifs".

even though you're well known, you're also new from as a submitter and some understanding is often given to new submitters. I would say though if you're gonna be submitting more try to be more thorough with the evidence package in the future

I can easily record an additional video with my phone showing the board and SuperGun work fine. Part of me was considering getting a full camera setup, but that would come at a cost for my stream layout, because I like having my Google doc spreadsheet on the side so viewers can easily understand if I'm doing well or not. I can't really fit a camera in the current layout comfortably, plus it's just an extra set of super annoying steps I'd have to account for every single time I feel like playing for score. Speedruns don't require this preposterous extra step just because you can ascertain all you need to know from the gameplay and the quality of the direct feed anyways.

I'm also just not convinced at all that a camera setup is automatically superior proof to a direct feed recording, especially considering I caught someone here blatantly cheating a camcorder submission that everyone else immediately accepted. This run was only provably cheated through some of his previous uploads of the same fight which WAS a direct feed recording. Those always allow frame-by-frame analysis that's completely impossible for over-the-air camcorder recordings.

There are also graphical quirks in the gameplay of a Splatterhouse PCB that are not present in any other version of the game, where Rick's sprite tears when there are too many active sprites on screen. Knowing this, you can effectively rule out any other version of the game being played (think of it as a reverse girder finger from the Donkey Kong dispute). I even downloaded the latest version of MAME (v0.207) released on the 27th of February, and this quirk is still emulated incorrectly. I can elaborate on this further if necessary.

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Originally Posted by Snowflake

oh man zallard, i just checked out your profile here. i see you did have one other submission. Hey @Blackflag82 chec kit out in addition to best in the world at defender, track n field, fast and furious, jjt is also the best at punch out and could easily triple zallard's score he just chooses not to

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/172910-Arcade-Super-Punch-Out!!-Points-1-917-800-Zachary-Allard/page3

I see you already have some experience with frustatrations here, yet you also saw your score get accepted after the arguing was over.


Sadly your prior experience with submitting is more common that I'd like it to be. If you feel that hassle is worth it for an accepted score -- and i personally absolutlye think its worth it -- then yes submit.

Yeah that whole experience was miserable. I've also submitted to TG before they changed hands, so I'm already very familiar with this site, but that was my first foray into TGSAP for a submission of my own, and it legitimately makes me hesitant to participate again.

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As a heavy arguer myself I think arguments are needed but nonsense is not needed I hope site see the effects jjt has on users submitting when he gets like that

Zallard as to the extra steps you have to remember one of our rules is original hardware even when perfect takes exists. It’s my understanding speed runners are fine merging scores if the net result is identical whereas at tg the rule is even when the original and reproduction are indistinguishable you still must use original. In fact it’s acknowledgement of the fact they’re sometimes indistinguishable that we require showing board as the only way to be sure. I’m of the opinion to enforce even stupid rules. I would have no problem with tg changing the rules and allowing all perfect replicas but as long as the rule is original board then yeah to enforce that I usually insist on seeing board

Like I said though between direct feed proving the game play and seperate video proving you own the board I think any reasonable person would accept your score

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Originally Posted by zallard1

What's there to convince me you wouldn't do likewise for my SuperGun submission?

That pnuematic vs buttons debate was all about how much easier it is to play with 6 buttons vs pressure activated switches. But your submission would not have that issue I hope. As for purchasing the pump thing, money is relative. To some people a control panel is expensive, while others drop $10,000 on brand new pinball machines they love.

I don't think it is appropriate for me to comment on how I would vote, or for anyone else to say they would only submit if they were likely to get accepted. That could be considered voter manipulation, a bannable offence.

I CAN however say I will give it a fair viewing and vote my conscience. Go for it man. Take that record!! I am sure the Video Game Player of the Century won't mind.

Originally Posted by Snowflake

As a heavy arguer myself I think arguments are needed but nonsense is not needed I hope site see the effects jjt has on users submitting when he gets like that

Zallard as to the extra steps you have to remember one of our rules is original hardware even when perfect takes exists. It’s my understanding speed runners are fine merging scores if the net result is identical whereas at tg the rule is even when the original and reproduction are indistinguishable you still must use original. In fact it’s acknowledgement of the fact they’re sometimes indistinguishable that we require showing board as the only way to be sure. I’m of the opinion to enforce even stupid rules. I would have no problem with tg changing the rules and allowing all perfect replicas but as long as the rule is original board then yeah to enforce that I usually insist on seeing board

Like I said though between direct feed proving the game play and seperate video proving you own the board I think any reasonable person would accept your score

Not sure what you mean by "merging scores if the net result is identical" when splicing is disallowed for obvious reasons. With this statement, do you mean playing on different hardware (Virtual Console, original console, rereleases, ect)? This is not a universal thing, but usually depends on the community.

I can understand using a camera when it warrants it. Like for example, some rhythm game communities require a camera on the control panel because of the extremely unique orientation of buttons and control options. Like, if Street Fighter cabinets *only* came out with the deluxe version of the cabinets, it would make sense to record the pneumatic control panel for attempts. Of course that's not the case with that game, as regular button control schemes are also standard.

At any rate, it sounds like in the case that I can prove I have a working boardset at all, this should be sufficient, even if it's a separate video?

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