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03-05-2024 at 03:44 AM


Dear Community:

Following the collective input and some deliberations within our community forum, we have implemented the first phase of modifications aimed at refining the criteria for Twin Galaxies (TG) World Record and Achievement recognition.

Implemented Change

- Clarification on Record Classification: Records on tracks with only a single entry will no longer contribute to a user’s “TG World Records” tally. These records will be classified under the “Other TG Records” category. A track must have at least two records for the leading record to be counted towards a user's “TG World Records” total. This adjustment has led to an updated recalibration of everyone’s “TG World Records” and “Other TG Records” statistics to align with this new guideline.

Pending Modification

- Introduction of an 'Achievement Only' Setting: We are in the process of introducing a novel setting across all tracks, termed “Achievement Only.” By default, this feature will be deactivated for every track. Its purpose is to designate certain tracks as solely for task completion, relegating all submissions for these tracks to the “Other TG Records” category, thereby excluding them from being recognized as a “TG World Record.” Tracks suited for this setting include those where only a singular score is attainable or those where achieving a set score or performance signifies task completion. Visibility of this setting will be ensured on the track display, though the prerogative to modify it will be reserved exclusively for administrators.

Objective of These Changes

These amendments are geared towards enhancing the Twin Galaxies community's capacity to discern and appreciate the subtle distinctions between "achievement" and "competition." While both facets are crucial, equally valuable, and often intersect, there are instances where they diverge. It is vital that our leaderboard system effectively communicates these distinctions, thereby fostering a richer acknowledgment and recognition of the diverse accomplishments within our community.

We recognize that formulating policies that universally satisfy all members of our community is an ambitious endeavor. Despite our best efforts, the initial execution of these policies may encounter challenges that require refinement. Nevertheless, Twin Galaxies is committed to this strategic path, believing it significantly enhances the community's experience. This approach is designed to benefit both individuals aiming for achievement and those engaged in competition, underscoring our dedication to serving the diverse aspirations within our community. Our goal is to foster an environment where every member feels their efforts and achievements are valued and recognized, ensuring Twin Galaxies continues to be a vibrant and inclusive platform for all gamers.

Thank you.

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Roger Edwin Blair 111

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I think the important thing to people on the issue was the overall W/R count in the member rankings, which is unchanged.

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Quote Originally Posted by Rogerpoco

I think the important thing to people on the issue was the overall W/R count in the member rankings, which is unchanged.


Huh?

Records on tracks with only a single entry will no longer contribute to a user’s “TG World Records” tally.


TG just made expanding the database functionally worthless.

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I haven't been through the option of purchasing one but does this also mean that certificates purchased against inaugural submissions will not have a WR text?

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Quote Originally Posted by Barthax



Huh?




I just meant, the w/r count overinflation issue doesn't seem addressed.


Ah, NBD. This is progress, and is much appreciated!

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Seems like everyone has 0 TG World Records, and the amount of Other TG Records seems to be the total of all scores submitted.


I'm actually interested to see how this affects the overall rankings.

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Quote Originally Posted by starcrytas

I'm actually interested to see how this affects the overall rankings.

I'm failing to see a reason to keep a WR count with this change (as I understand it): the WR count did something that ESI didn't do but now the WR count is just a derivative of ESI so why keep it?

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One I’ll be curious to see how it turns out is the ACHIEVEMENT ONLY setting. So does this mean a MAXOUT on a game like Laser Blast is just a task completion?

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I belive this is the right direction and a win for everyone.


I understand the initial negative reaction once the World Records leaderboard calculates after the dust settles, I have a lot of inaugurals myself.. but it is definitely for the greater good.


Maybe make an achievement count leaderboard so folks can aim for that if they wish because I'm all for people enjoying gaming how they wish.

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Quote Originally Posted by nads

One I’ll be curious to see how it turns out is the ACHIEVEMENT ONLY setting. So does this mean a MAXOUT on a game like Laser Blast is just a task completion?


If the task/score/time never changes no matter the action.. that should be a novelty. Laser Blast can easily be seen as a non-novelty track because the score can be lower than the max that can be achieved.

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Quote Originally Posted by nads

One I’ll be curious to see how it turns out is the ACHIEVEMENT ONLY setting. So does this mean a MAXOUT on a game like Laser Blast is just a task completion?

I'm reading this as any score that has a single result no matter how you play the game will be counted as an achievement. If the possibly to have more than one singular score is possible, then it's a WR score. I would hope that's how it's being done.

I'm guessing this "Achievement Only" setting was established for tracks like all the Final Fantasy scores LAH created that literally have no alternative result no matter how you play it. You either did it and TG recognizes it, or you didn't.

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Quote Originally Posted by nads

One I’ll be curious to see how it turns out is the ACHIEVEMENT ONLY setting. So does this mean a MAXOUT on a game like Laser Blast is just a task completion?

+1

Just to add to this statement, are the track creators responsible for determining whether a new track is ACHIEVEMENT of COMPETITIVE.

IMO - I would rather have a world record count (no filter) leaderboard, and a competitive leaderboard (filters = >1 competitor and 1>unique score). Seems like it would accomplish the same thing without disappointing those that want to keep the "1st place" count as its been for a long time.

Lets see where this goes... grabbing a snack, watching and waiting

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Quote Originally Posted by starcrytas

Seems like everyone has 0 TG World Records, and the amount of Other TG Records seems to be the total of all scores submitted.

I'm actually interested to see how this affects the overall rankings.

Yes there is currently a bug in the WR calculation and everyone is at ZERO and everything seems to be in "other records" - @admin staff is working to fix the issue.

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Hi All

We are reverting the old record calculation for now.

We will fix the bug and update the records ASAP

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Quote Originally Posted by Barthax

I'm failing to see a reason to keep a WR count with this change (as I understand it): the WR count did something that ESI didn't do but now the WR count is just a derivative of ESI so why keep it?

ESI describes how many players you are beating.

WR count describes how many Rank 1 positions you have on tracks that have competition.

If you held Rank 2 positions on all your tracks, you can have a high ESI number but a World Record count of 0.

They are different things.

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Quote Originally Posted by Rogerpoco

I think the important thing to people on the issue was the overall W/R count in the member rankings, which is unchanged.

Yes. I believe a separate service has to run for that to get updated. @admin staff is aware of this.

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Quote Originally Posted by Barthax

Huh?

TG just made expanding the database functionally worthless.

If an individual aims solely to claim a world record on a leaderboard lacking competition merely for the distinction, this path is no longer available. Instead, their achievement will be acknowledged and celebrated as a Twin Galaxies gaming milestone until another competitor submits an entry, introducing rivalry to the leaderboard.
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Quote Originally Posted by Barthax

I haven't been through the option of purchasing one but does this also mean that certificates purchased against inaugural submissions will not have a WR text?

We have not made that change yet, so at the moment inaugurals will be minted as World Records (black/gold)- but we do plan on addressing this and once addressed, the inaugurals will be Certificates of Achievement (red/white/blue) with a Rank 1 delineation.

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Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnWorstEnemy

+1

Just to add to this statement, are the track creators responsible for determining whether a new track is ACHIEVEMENT of COMPETITIVE.

IMO - I would rather have a world record count (no filter) leaderboard, and a competitive leaderboard (filters = >1 competitor and 1>unique score). Seems like it would accomplish the same thing without disappointing those that want to keep the "1st place" count as its been for a long time.

Lets see where this goes... grabbing a snack, watching and waiting

Yes. Track creators will be able to set whether a track is a task completion track or a dynamic track. However, once it has been set and created, only admins will be able to alter the setting.

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Just wondering how one would track an in-game achievement that isn't attached to some kind of number or time and how they would make a track for it. Since it would be a novelty track and not meant for competition then wouldn't it be open for many different things?


The Nintendo 64 Completion bounty comes to mine. Say you want to track the fact that you beat a game.

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Quote Originally Posted by Desidious

I belive this is the right direction and a win for everyone.


I understand the initial negative reaction once the World Records leaderboard calculates after the dust settles, I have a lot of inaugurals myself.. but it is definitely for the greater good.


Maybe make an achievement count leaderboard so folks can aim for that if they wish because I'm all for people enjoying gaming how they wish.

i was about to say something very simliar, so rathert than look like i'm plagiarizing you i wanna acknowledge you beat me to it ;)

absolutely well intentioned needed step. I have no doubt now that we're getting this we're gonna see alot of issues in details. My suggestion, like Desidious' is this. Yes, such a record is really misleading to call a "world record" since it didnt beat anyone, but its also very misleading to call it "other records" since that imples beaten by the record holder. i too would like to see it have its own category.
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